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Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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Re: Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atherton residents include people like founders of A16Z, Stephen Curry and others. The funny thing, 10-15 years ago, a number of residences were second houses and generally empty. Back about 15-16 years ago, there was an international incubator BlackBox based out of one of the properties in Atherton.

Wasn't 10-15 years ago the financial crisis?

2008

Re: Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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post #30

> They lost. So why did it still cost us $400 million? Did the article provide a direct answer to this? I see the $20M delay payments to contractors and the rise of labor costs cited, but is that all?

It did not.

In fact the article comes dangerously close to admitting that there is correlation without correlation, it opens with:

> Here is the short version. In 2012, Caltrain budgeted its electrification project — the backbone of the Peninsula's transit future and a prerequisite for high-speed rail to ever reach San Francisco — at roughly $1.5 billion. By 2017 that number had ballooned to $1.9 billion. In between, the Town of Atherton sued.

While I don't agree with what Atherton did here (in general, I did not look at the specifics), you have to be fairly negligent to think you're going to build something in California without a massive legal headache. This is a legislative problem which it sounds like, for this narrow case, the legislature actually solved (shockingly to me). I find it hard to blame the residents of the city for exercising their rights.

Re: Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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post #27

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if we are going to complain about AI content then i suggest we also include some evidence to make the argument at least somewhat insightful. i'll start: pangram gives this a 100% score (without the sources section), on account of the em-dashes. remove those and the score drops to 49%. include the sources and the score drops to 36%. (edit, i misread the score: after removal of the em-dashes the result is 48% generated…

Man, if only Anthropic hadn't invented the em dash in 2023, it wouldn't be so easy to use that as such a surefire way to distinguish AI writing!

Re: Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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post #30

> They lost. So why did it still cost us $400 million? Did the article provide a direct answer to this? I see the $20M delay payments to contractors and the rise of labor costs cited, but is that all?

The article's somewhat dubious argument is that the 2012 budget estimate was $1.5B, the actual cost by 2017 was $1.9B, and the $400M difference was caused entirely by Atherton's law suit.

Which is obviously a bit sus, because the actual lawsuit froze everything for only around 18 months from Feb 2015 to Sep 2016.

Re: Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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post #27

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if we are going to complain about AI content then i suggest we also include some evidence to make the argument at least somewhat insightful. i'll start: pangram gives this a 100% score (without the sources section), on account of the em-dashes. remove those and the score drops to 49%. include the sources and the score drops to 36%. (edit, i misread the score: after removal of the em-dashes the result is 48% generated…

> Atherton didn't have to win. A CEQA lawsuit doesn't need a strong legal theory to do damage — it just needs to introduce enough risk that funders freeze and clocks keep running. The delay is the weapon.

In my opinion, this construct is massively overused by LLMs and is extremely jarring to read. The pithy followup "The delay is the weapon." feels like Year 8 Debate Club and is very melodramatic and cringy, which LLMs do a LOT.

There are other spots that stand out, but this is the point where I said to myself "oh this is the point where the author stopped "cowriting" and just pasted the LLM slop directly."

Re: Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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post #10

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While you’re at it, why not disestablish the state and have everything federal? There is value in local control - with some glaring exception.

States are sovereign entities and cannot be dissolved. Local governments are organs of the states and can be dissolved.

Local control is desirable, the question is the proper granularity of local control in the modern era. The structure of places like the Bay Area with dozens of little towns that have veto power over everything is too granular. Planning should happen at the granularity of entire metro areas.

Re: Atherton spent $145K to delay train electrification. The rest of us paid $400M

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That sounds too extreme. I like Australia where states (ok much less populated than US states!) have certain building powers esp. to build rail infra but local can manage planning rules pertaining to an area but within a state level framework.

I live in Australia and local governments are too small and cause idiotic delays to things. They’re always being taken to administrative tribunals and losing and the state government periodically has to suspend their planning powers to make progress happen.

I liked the government structure of the ACT when I lived there with a territory government that also had all the local government responsibilities for bins etc.

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