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Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

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Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

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I hope they can get this to people quickly. Someone I love has been diagnosed with stage 3 end of Feb this year and it's utter hell. For everyone, not just the patient.

Honestly. for the ~2 months my mum had between a totally out-of-the-blue stage 4 melanoma diagnosis and the day she died in the hospice, I don’t think there’s anything she would have wanted less than to endure more of that existence, if someone had offered her that pill.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The company says that the drug was generally well tolerated, but that’s on the oncology scale. > ... > He’s been on daraxonrasib since early this year, and describes it this way: “. . .it’s a nasty drug. It causes crazy stuff like my body can’t grow skin and so I bleed all out of a whole bunch of parts of me that shouldn’t be bleeding” If you go to that link above, be prepared, because he also looks like he’s had a…

I am in the enviable position to not be actively dying from an untreatable disease, so obviously haven’t seen things from the other side of this sort of situation. But to me, that doesn’t sound like a life worth living. Obviously different people will have different thresholds for when to throw in the towel, and I’m glad that we are finding medicines to allow people to make the choices that align with their own drive…

This may sound condescending but: you sound young, not disabled, and extremely sheltered from being exposed to disabled people.

I am in a position to be intimately familiar with illness. I will say that health is a spectrum and the mind is incredibly resilient. You will surprise yourself as you inevitably age how much your mind will adapt to always hurting. There is more to life than body discomfort. This patient sounds like he has his faculties and is making an informed decision to continue living, because his life is worth the discomfort he is going through. I am reminded of a line along the lines of every day you experience, no matter how terrible, is very likely a day that someone else yesterday would have desperately wanted.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

#23
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The company says that the drug was generally well tolerated, but that’s on the oncology scale. > ... > He’s been on daraxonrasib since early this year, and describes it this way: “. . .it’s a nasty drug. It causes crazy stuff like my body can’t grow skin and so I bleed all out of a whole bunch of parts of me that shouldn’t be bleeding” If you go to that link above, be prepared, because he also looks like he’s had a…

I am in the enviable position to not be actively dying from an untreatable disease, so obviously haven’t seen things from the other side of this sort of situation. But to me, that doesn’t sound like a life worth living. Obviously different people will have different thresholds for when to throw in the towel, and I’m glad that we are finding medicines to allow people to make the choices that align with their own drive…

> Still, I can’t help but think that this is the sort of life virtually none of us would choose to inflict on our pets, even if cost was no option. We give them a far more graceful exit from this world than we give ourselves, and I think that’s worth considering.

I often think about this, wondering how many of those animals would have chosen death if given the choice, and how often it is simply a way to spare the owner from seeing something that upsets them.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

#24

I hope they can get this to people quickly. Someone I love has been diagnosed with stage 3 end of Feb this year and it's utter hell. For everyone, not just the patient.

Unfortunately, it seems that this just provides an extra year of life or so.

Of course this is better than nothing, but it is not a cure.

Moreover, the link provided by another poster to an article that discusses the side effects, shows that they are unpleasant.

Still, an extra year of life may provide a chance to survive until the appearance of a better solution.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

#25
While it's a useful scientific achievement, and I am not second guessing any individuals decision, and any time is likely tempting to take if even to have time to make arrangements, this still only gives about 1 year survival on average to the scenario being quoted in the title, and that year is gruesomely painful.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

#26

I hope they can get this to people quickly. Someone I love has been diagnosed with stage 3 end of Feb this year and it's utter hell. For everyone, not just the patient.

Unfortunately, it seems that this just provides an extra year of life or so. Of course this is better than nothing, but it is not a cure. Moreover, the link provided by another poster to an article that discusses the side effects, shows that they are unpleasant. Still, an extra year of life may provide a chance to survive until the appearance of a better solution.

It's an extra 6 months or so, and it's almost certain a better solution won't be come available in that 6 months, and even if it did you are very close to death and unlikely to recover even if a miracle cure is developed. In the meantime you are in intense pain and suffering wild side effects.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

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"survival" is the wrong word; its terminal. honestly the drugs and chemo and treatments they put pancreatic patients through for possibly a few more (not very nice) weeks is almost criminal. a good doctor will tell you to go make the most of those 3 months post diagnosis. that said its nice to see progress against one of the worst cancers out there and i hope it leads to genuine breakthroughs. but this drug is nothin…

> "survival" is the wrong word; its terminal. No one actually knows that one way or the other since some patients were still taking it after the study ended according to the article.

According to the abstract of the article, there were 2 groups of patients.

One group had median values of 8.5 months for progression-free survival and 13.1 months for overall survival.

The other group had median values of 8.1 months for progression-free survival and 15.6 months for overall survival.

Overall Survival (OS) measures the time until death from any cause.

Progression-Free Survival (PFS) evaluates how long a treatment can delay disease progression or death.

So at least most of the patients from the study have died, because otherwise median values could not have been computed.

Thus the treatment had provided them a median life extension of about 3/4 years. The lucky ones probably have got more than an extra year.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

#28
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The company says that the drug was generally well tolerated, but that’s on the oncology scale. > ... > He’s been on daraxonrasib since early this year, and describes it this way: “. . .it’s a nasty drug. It causes crazy stuff like my body can’t grow skin and so I bleed all out of a whole bunch of parts of me that shouldn’t be bleeding” If you go to that link above, be prepared, because he also looks like he’s had a…

I am in the enviable position to not be actively dying from an untreatable disease, so obviously haven’t seen things from the other side of this sort of situation. But to me, that doesn’t sound like a life worth living. Obviously different people will have different thresholds for when to throw in the towel, and I’m glad that we are finding medicines to allow people to make the choices that align with their own drive…

Well, I am in the situation you are so afraid of. Chemo, radiation and other treatments suck big time, let alone the effects of the cancer itself.

BUT ... this is not a binary situation, where suddenly life becomes unbearable. There's so much worth living for. And not just the obvious big things in life (kids, family, friends), but also many many small things. Man, that first cup of cappuchino once the effects of chemo wear off alone is almost worth all the puking beforehand :) Or having a nice piece of cheese. Seeing my small herb garden grow. Etc. etc.

The trick is to live a peaceful, content life. Be grateful for what you have. Enjoy your short time on earth.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

#29
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in the enviable position to not be actively dying from an untreatable disease, so obviously haven’t seen things from the other side of this sort of situation. But to me, that doesn’t sound like a life worth living. Obviously different people will have different thresholds for when to throw in the towel, and I’m glad that we are finding medicines to allow people to make the choices that align with their own drive…

This may sound condescending but: you sound young, not disabled, and extremely sheltered from being exposed to disabled people. I am in a position to be intimately familiar with illness. I will say that health is a spectrum and the mind is incredibly resilient. You will surprise yourself as you inevitably age how much your mind will adapt to always hurting. There is more to life than body discomfort. This patient sou…

I find both the honesty and tact of your comment a generous gift. After watching the Sasse interview, reading the parent comment and reading your comment, I’m reminded abstractly how much of the emotional and psychological work of reconciling biological mortality is built on personal cognitive context that a mind-body builds over its cycles living in the world. So much about mortality is shared. But so much of the context for interpreting mortality is radically personal.

Re: Daily pill can double survival time for deadliest cancer, trial shows

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The founders of Lovable and Builder.ai individually received more funds than the whole group of the researchers behind this medicine...

That’s like talking about the ROI of a winning lottery ticket. We can’t know ahead of time which medicine works so you need to fund many teams at the beginning.

The pharmaceutical new drug development R&D market saw about $200 billion invested in 2025.

https://hardmanandco.com/research/corporate-research/2025-ph...>

Total VC tech investment in 2025 was $425 billion.

https://news.crunchbase.com/venture/funding-data-third-large...>

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