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I'm So Tired of Ads

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Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

Ads in my opinion are not the problem.

The problem is the expectation that services/apps/radio/tv-channels need to be free when we know that there is nothing really free in this world (except maybe the air we breathe?).

This is the same problem that Firefox is facing. If you listen to the crowd here on HN, Firefox is either evil or dumb or both to take money from Google, yet at the same time, these same people would scream bloody murder if Firefox was a paid only browser that cost 5.99 a month because everything these days is a subscription and this is terrible.

Every product requires maintenance and has ongoing costs. Let me ask you, do you work for free? If not, then why should they?

So instead of spending hours debating over the value of ads in apps and sites, on the radio and so on, what is the solution if: - ads are a no go - subscriptions are bad - donations are unreliable and cannot ensure the proper remuneration of the creators

And let me say, that is is not a comment supporting ads, I am genuinely asking what the solution is because I just don't see it.

Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

goodmythical wrote: post #48
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that’s how you found out, you didn’t miss out on much, did you? You watch it, and that’s it.

If the only reccomendation that reaches me was paid for, it is definitionally not good enough to have garnered any personal reccomendation.

Right. Also, if there’s any social pressure to watch a new movie as it’s in theatres whatever, said pressure likely comes from people one knows, so still no need to expose yourself to ads to step in the loop.

Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by fsflover »

bheadmaster wrote: post #50
matheusmoreira wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What would constitute "consent" to being communicated information to? With physical contact, speech can signal consent or lack thereof. How would you consent to speech itself?

If I intentionally search for a "new car" or go to a page reviewing cars, then I give my consent to receive new information about it.

Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by rchaud »

Shuang1 wrote: post #10

I use an adblocker and I have for a while now. Every so often I hear a moral argument about why adblockers are bad (ads support free internet, etc) but to be completely honest, I simply don't care anymore. Advertising is in such a malicious state that yes, I'm going to put my own experience quality over whatever collective good there is in watching ads.

There is no moral argument anymore. Every ad peddler online has broken every TOS imaginable to feed its AI training models, at a scale a human couldn't accomplish in a million years.

Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by decremental »

_doctor_love wrote: post #35
ligne wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate ads as much as anyone but they are not in any way comparable to rape. Please have some sense of proportion.

Please don't post comments like this. The only thing it can trigger is a flame war. It won't go anywhere productive. Friends, ignore this thread. Move on. Don't engage.

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Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by ffsm8 »

rchaud wrote: post #55
Shuang1 wrote: post #10

I use an adblocker and I have for a while now. Every so often I hear a moral argument about why adblockers are bad (ads support free internet, etc) but to be completely honest, I simply don't care anymore. Advertising is in such a malicious state that yes, I'm going to put my own experience quality over whatever collective good there is in watching ads.

There is no moral argument anymore. Every ad peddler online has broken every TOS imaginable to feed its AI training models, at a scale a human couldn't accomplish in a million years.

> There is no moral argument anymore.

There never was.

There were just a few people profiting from ads trying to gaslight you into believing there was.

Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by [deleted] »

Shuang1 wrote: post #10

I use an adblocker and I have for a while now. Every so often I hear a moral argument about why adblockers are bad (ads support free internet, etc) but to be completely honest, I simply don't care anymore. Advertising is in such a malicious state that yes, I'm going to put my own experience quality over whatever collective good there is in watching ads.

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Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

#59

Post by RattlesnakeJake »

rchaud wrote: post #55
Shuang1 wrote: post #10

I use an adblocker and I have for a while now. Every so often I hear a moral argument about why adblockers are bad (ads support free internet, etc) but to be completely honest, I simply don't care anymore. Advertising is in such a malicious state that yes, I'm going to put my own experience quality over whatever collective good there is in watching ads.

There is no moral argument anymore. Every ad peddler online has broken every TOS imaginable to feed its AI training models, at a scale a human couldn't accomplish in a million years.

That's where I've landed as well.

The current state of things is entirely the fault of the advertising industry. They've acted like users' banner blindness is an obstacle to be defeated, rather than a constraint to build around. Faced with something the users cannot change, they continue to pile up increasingly hostile techniques that only work for a short while before users start to automatically ignore them.

I'm curious where the one-sided arms race ends. Probably a return to subscriptions that frustrate users but are at least sustainably funded.

Re: I'm So Tired of Ads

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Post by prmoustache »

internet2000 wrote: post #34
prmoustache wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are still physical printed ads on billboards you can't really avoid, as well as all the branding from anything else you encounter in the streets: cars, bicycle, shops, drink coasters at the bar/pub, etc which are by essence advertising. Also many cultural things are full of product placements, all movies, many songs, event sponsoring, etc. As much as I do to avoid ads (using adblocker, priorizing gemtext caches…

Branding is not advertising and it weakens your point to imply it is.

Branding is just long term marketing while advertising is short term. The end goal is the same.
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