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The people who actually want AI to replace humanity

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Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity

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Post by odo1242 »

derektank wrote: post #24
DonHopkins wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no idea what socialism is, like so many right wing propagandists and dynastic-autocracy labor-exploitation rentier-state apologists. That's not socialism. It's an absolute autocratic monarchy distributing oil rents to a privileged citizen caste. Most of the private-sector work is done by foreign workers who don't receive the same benefits or political rights.

Socialism is state ownership of the means of production. The governance of that state, be it democratic, monarchical, or dictatorship of the proletariat, is a separate question.

Socialism is public ownership of the means of production. If there isn’t a way for regular people / “the proletariat” to influence the government, it’s not socialism because an autocratic government isn’t “the public”

Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity

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Post by rightbyte »

asdsg wrote: post #35

Humanism needs to be taught in schools again and regain its status as a respected discipline in academia. We thought it was a waste of time because the 1990s were relatively peaceful and tech optimism surged. But you need to teach the classics, philosophy and even religion. No tech people should be allowed near politics in any capacity.

> No tech people should be allowed near politics in any capacity.

No we need more politics. The 'no politics' is a petite bourgeoisie moral escape hatch.

Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity

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Post by jleyank »

chrncirurp wrote: post #27
jleyank wrote: post #21

No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call.

> No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call. Maybe you’re right. Maybe you’re wrong. No point wasting money on UBI before it’s a problem. Let’s wait and see if UBI is actually required. That is, do people actually protest and vote. Probably not.

“Nine missed meals from anarchy.” There’s a lot of armed people in the US so social unrest will be a problem if they ever get so angry that Fox News can’t trank them.

Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity

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Post by jmyeet »

Transhumanism doesn't get mentioned enough in these conversations. I'm glad this article does mention it but it doesn't really do it justice. Transhumanism is very big with Silicon Valley billionaires but it's actually pretty dark.

First, it's an extension of meritocracy (in the capitalism sense where poverty is a personal moral failure) as well as Protestant prosperity gospel. That is, you are superior if you're rich. Period. So Homo Sapiens 2.0 is really just "my progeny" from the billionaire's perspective. It's also why the likes of Elon has so many children.

Second, it's just eugenics.

There is an alternate future where humanity gets to enjoy the fruits of automation and AI where we have to work less and have richer lives. That's not where this is going. We are instead bouldering towards vastly increased wealth inequality.

How I see this going is towards the cutting of all public services except policing. AI will enable and enhance the police and surveillance state to protect wealth while everyone else sees lowering real wages and increased desperation. This will give rise to more fascist, apartheid states as some out-group (eg migrants) will be blamed for these ills. And as always happens, the in-group will increasingly shrink.

Ultimately, this leads to neu-fuedalism where the only jobs and housing are on the estates of trillionaires. People own almost nothing.

And if it doesn't go this way, it's going to be very, very violent.

Re: The people who actually want AI to replace humanity

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Post by theptip »

jleyank wrote: post #21

No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call.

This is only a bargaining chip until the robot workers come online. Once capital can fully replace labor it’s game over.

(And once the robots outpower the humans, you can’t even protest or overthrow your new overlords.)

Important to know when your cards must be played.

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