Is it really "EU" Sovereignty? And not its member's Sovereignty?
It's just Digital Sovereignty.
Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
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Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
#62> Yes, the EU “cloud providers” are lagging behind but they’re catching up. Scaleway, Herzner, and others are there, and you should check them out if you’re starting a business in the EU. I would argue that these aren't even "cloud providers", they are just VPS providers. Which is fine, but it's not the same thing. There really isn't any European "cloud" service at all, which is a huge part of the problem. And I doub…
Good thing is that in EU we still have a lot of people who know how to write software. Like, in programming languages.
Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a rather odd point. One country has left the EU due to a very narrow 'exit' vote, so it's not anyone's prison. Across surveys the EU enjoys broad support, often even more so than the national government. Clearly not everyone loves the EU but the majorities are very much in favour (and certainly this is the case among the people who actually understand politics, economics, etc.).
I think the grandparent references many referendums that rejected EU treaties: - Maastricht Treaty, 1992, Denmark, - European Constitution, 2005, France and Netherlands, - Lisbon Treaty, 2008, Ireland. The votes were usually redone and passed. The exception is Norway which refused to join twice. > Clearly not everyone loves the EU but the majorities are very much in favour (and certainly this is the case among the pe…
It's always interesting to see accounts popping up in this thread trying to delegitimize EU and spew out bunch of vague misleading statements against it.
Why is that? Which EU citizen protection is angering you? :)
Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
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Visa/Mastercard are almost obsolete in most EU countries. If they disappeared there is multitude of better options than ancient cards.
What, like electronic payments using phones running American operating systems? With the bonus that you have two new gatekeepers that can lock your citizens out (Apple and Google).
Harmony OS looks great. I cant wait for the EU version. We will again have a hilarious discussion about US apps. Peeping tom and his lawless army of handsy friskers.
Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
What, like electronic payments using phones running American operating systems? With the bonus that you have two new gatekeepers that can lock your citizens out (Apple and Google).
Harmony OS looks great. I cant wait for the EU version. We will again have a hilarious discussion about US apps. Peeping tom and his lawless army of handsy friskers.
So you'd switch USA for China, and still have a foreign dependency embedded into the very fabric of your society. Do you not see a problem with this?
Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
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But why would the Europeans want to copy the US "cloud" model of micro-compartmentalizing services into hundreds of abstracted products carefully designed to have circular dependencies between each other ..... And all shipped with price sheets billed in invented unit metrics and more small-print than a packet of prescription drugs that makes it completely impossible to predict how much you're going to pay. I'll take…
> But why would the Europeans want to copy the US "cloud" model of micro-compartmentalizing services… Maybe it’s the best approach? Maybe it’s more profitable and European companies want to grow their business?
best for who? for the cloud provider for all the vendor lockins? theres hardly anything i like about the popular cloud providers to be honest
Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Harmony OS looks great. I cant wait for the EU version. We will again have a hilarious discussion about US apps. Peeping tom and his lawless army of handsy friskers.
So you'd switch USA for China, and still have a foreign dependency embedded into the very fabric of your society. Do you not see a problem with this?
Oh, i mean a EU Phone OS. Eventually it has to happen. It will of course be entirely ceremonial and run on chinese made hardware with US apps.
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Which is mightily funny because in the opening paragraph the article equates "anti-free movement" with "problematic baggage". It's a problem if people can't move freely in and out of Europe, but not data -- that's our red line!
I mean... Yes? People and data about people are two different things - as is who is doing the "movement" in the first place. Would you also support free movement of all the valuables in your bank vault?
This doesn't make sense as a rebuttal.
Article is OK with people moving uncontrolled in/out/around Europe. Article is NOT OK with data moving uncontrolled in/out/around Europe.
It's stupid. It's quintessential luxury belief thinking.
The article supposes that there exists people that fear their data being misused but don't fear their taxes being misused on welfare for a random population of benefit seekers.
The article would have been better without the self-own "problematic baggage" language.
Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
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I’m not sure why Europeans always bring Trump in here when it comes to this topic, except perhaps he, successfully it appears, woke many of them up from the slumber of dependency on global supply chains, of course, that Americans have been talking about for quite some time. You can’t vote in American elections, true, but you also can’t vote for the Ayatollah or Saudi Prince who controls your oil supply, the Brazilian…
He said exactly why: because Trump's policies are unpredictable. Before that, there was no problem, really. Of course, it's a political movement and Trump is much a symptom as a disease, but you're saying we should thank him for bringing about this unpredictability — because now we can see that unpredictability is possible? There's something seriously loopy about that argument. It's like asking one to thank the burgl…
i think you re over-indexing on Trump and not recognizing that this has been a problem for Europe for much longer than Trump has been a serious political figure. Europe has and to some extent is still very much asleep and holding on to a world that no longer exists. Hyper-focusing on Trump is a dangerous manifestation of that antiquated understanding of the world. The US is at the bottom of Europe’s list of problems.
Re: Let's talk about EU Sovereignty (2025)
#70> Yes, the EU “cloud providers” are lagging behind but they’re catching up. Scaleway, Herzner, and others are there, and you should check them out if you’re starting a business in the EU. I would argue that these aren't even "cloud providers", they are just VPS providers. Which is fine, but it's not the same thing. There really isn't any European "cloud" service at all, which is a huge part of the problem. And I doub…
OVH is a cloud provider, and a large one. It is by far the largest EU provider.