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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by theptip »

mlsu wrote: post #177
afavour wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're overestimating the extent to which individual developers have a choice here. My employer signed up for a Claude Code membership, I use Claude Code. I cannot use Codex. Anecdotally I hear of folks with workplace Claude Code subscriptions all the time. I'm not sure I've ever heard someone talk about their workplace Codex subscription. Anthropic clearly did a far better job chasing corporate customers while OpenA…

I think the marketing campaign came first. Anthropic captured developer mindshare first, then they brought it to their companies.

Sorry, no. Claude Code was the product that brought coding agents to the mainstream. Sonnet 3.5 was the model and harness that created vibe coding.

This was a push of the technical frontier, not a marketing achievement.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by neosat »

bluegatty wrote: post #171
neosat wrote: post #70

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Your argument is fine but different from the claim the OP is making. You cannot simply make a claim that (model + harness) X is better than Y, but then have no discernible difference in the output. Subjectively, people might still prefer one over due to anything from design to marketing, but that's very different from the claim that X is better than Y for coding (see: "A colleague was convinced Claude is better"). Ba…

" You cannot simply make a claim that (model + harness) X is better than Y, but then have no discernible difference in the output" Sorry I think this misses the mark. Because it's not the output but the process. And sometimes the outcomes are not always discernable. Codex and Claude are very different. I use them for different things. Their behaviour difference is obvious. Of course it'd impossible for anyone to tell…

You need to see the response in light of the original discussion. Referencing here for clarity since I should have included it in the first place: "We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code."

So the same person, was using similarly competitive tools, and showing that the output was hard to discern (indirectly the implication was also that implementation was fairly trivial in both of those). A better analogy would not be different process and widely different tools but for example two power drills. Sure, folks could still prefer one over the other, but that's a different claim that saying X is objectively better than Y when both are directly competing on very similar dimensions.

Assuming you meant Claude code: I'd love to learn more about "Codex and Claude are very different" because maybe I'm assuming just based on my use case where I use both of them interchangeably for the same thing (coding web and mobile apps)

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by sergiotapia »

grodes wrote: post #3

codex gtp-5.5 is far superior to opus 4.7 working on large projects

My experience as well. Although this week I've moved to Cursor and Composer 2.5. It's so fast that any faults can be iterated on super quickly. The model is just insanely good with code things.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by surgical_fire »

ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

OpenAI and Anthropic are the same shit. That people think that Anthropic is in any way morally superior is sort of laughable.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by bluebands »

jnovek wrote: post #253
bluebands wrote: post #238

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Claude had a lead for a few weeks. When Codex launched it was better and it has been (marginally, yes, but still) better since. It's marketing

Having a lead in a new market even for a short time creates initial conditions that are in your favor. That’s why startups get all fired up over being first to market.

Sure, but OpenAI has caught up with such velocity (and frankly has the better models) such that it's kind of irrational to refuse it based on "vibes"

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by latexr »

mountainriver wrote: post #221
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #193

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How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

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> At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone

He says he does. While everyone around him says he’s manipulative and liar. Let’s not get too carried away on his words when they benefit him.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may...

> has done literal experiments on UBI

Like a scam cryptocurrency which was banned in multiple countries. Seems to me Sam is only interested in helping others as longs as it puts him squarely on top.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)#Legal_and_r...

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by gaiagraphia »

I guess the competition lost lots of time in focusing on image and video generation. While they're fun gimmicks, I still really haven't seen the value in AI-generated image/video, especially when considering the greater costs involved.

Doubling down on coding was just infinitely smarter. Has there actually been a successful company which uses AI images and video effectively?

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Post by amazingamazing »

epistasis wrote: post #246
amazingamazing wrote: post #213

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Tupperware party is a particular thing about the social framework around promoting corporate goods.

You might want to expand on that a bit. Tupper ware parties were a way for housewives to make a bit of money on a pyramid scheme, socialize, and have fun. Are you suggesting that Anthropic is giving kickbacks to devs that talk about their positive experiences with Claude Code? Seems false, so I don't think that's it. Are you saying people are having fun talking about Claude Code socially ans ann escape from their eve…

https://claude.com/community/ambassadors

https://www.tupperware.com/pages/host-a-party?srsltid=AfmBOo...

It really is the same thing. You and others get more credits or gift social gathering, expanded opportunities, etc.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by notatoad »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #193
ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

if dario is just as much of an asshole, he's at least a quieter asshole. and to me, that's better.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by surgical_fire »

akillibebe wrote: post #84
orphea wrote: post #75

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Do you think Amodei is different?

The choice is not binary. I use DeepSeek (paid) for coding, and Qwen (free) for casual stuff from the browser chat UI.

And honestly, DeepSeek is an excellent model.

I am having a better experience using DeepSeek than using Anthropic.

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