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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

The results may be the same but I personally find Claude nicer to work with. It seems to understand my intent better than GPT and needs less guidance. Maybe it’s just personal preference.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by skillina »

neosat wrote: post #70
jnovek wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t tell the difference between code written in vim or vs code but it matters substantially to the person writing the code. There’s stuff beyond just the output that goes into tool choice.

Your argument is fine but different from the claim the OP is making. You cannot simply make a claim that (model + harness) X is better than Y, but then have no discernible difference in the output. Subjectively, people might still prefer one over due to anything from design to marketing, but that's very different from the claim that X is better than Y for coding (see: "A colleague was convinced Claude is better"). Ba…

Claude and Codex are tools. You can't tell the difference in the output between something that was done with a ratcheting wrench vs a standard combination wrench, but your mechanic certainly knows the ratcheting wrench is better (for most tasks).

I've not used Codex to compare against, so I'm not claiming X is better than Y, but comparing tools simply on their output is naive.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

antirez wrote: post #83

In this game, who wins - in the long term - is who has the best model: so far OpenAI is ahead, so in the long term this is what matters. However, for the same reason, if in the future open weight models will be very near the quality of frontier labs, Anthropic and OpenAI will be out of business very soon. The game they play only make sense if their SOTA models do things that other models can't do at a comparable leve…

I have the same impression. Strange to see this being downvoted & it was after reading the comment that I read the username to find out its antirez!

Now, I think that with these companies IPO'ing and Nasdaq and other bending themseleves and their rules to cater to them (as in case of SpaceX), these companies are very close to an IPO.

So for the employees, they are probably gonna get good evaluations, atleast in the short term and perhaps they are having a problem which is worth having.

But as you have suggested, I feel like the whole thing might be flaky especially given open source models. I believe that OSS models are at worst close to literal SOTA ~6 months ago.

So OpenAI & Anthropic have to somehow always be on the edge to get better models to not lose this (imo) very small time grip that they have, all while losing billions of dollars and having to worry about profitability & so many other concerns in it of itself.

I don't think that there is any other thing inside CS or any industry where two pieces of software being almost comparable enough with not much moat around except a diff of 6 months best, is something on which trillions of dollars float around on. We don't know how things will pan out but if I have to guess, It might not be looking good for OAI, Anthropic over especially the longer horizon.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by vb-8448 »

grodes wrote: post #3

codex gtp-5.5 is far superior to opus 4.7 working on large projects

My problem with codex/gpt that is too verbose (mostly js and python): a lot of helper functions, a lot of 1 or 2 line functions used in 1 place only, a lot of types or proxy like objects.

I have specific skills for trying to avoid this, but nevertheless I spent half of the time fighting with its verbosity.

Currently, I'm trying to scaffold the functions/classes I know I need with NotImpelmented and ask it to implement only inside those specific places. It's a little bit better, but I still have to fight with function in functions definitions ...

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by nullbio »

This is depressing. Anthropic really is the last company we want to see leading this race, given how greedy they are. Let's not forget all of the lying and gaslighting too. The creator of OpenClaw made this I believe: https://clawd.rip

Stealing peoples tokens because you use a product they don't like... That shows the morals they have. Actions speak louder than words. Disabling peoples caches because they disable telemetry was another juicy one that I don't believe is on this site. In fact there are far more I remember that aren't even listed here.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by sobellian »

theturtletalks wrote: post #22
meowface wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPT-5.5 is the better programmer but Opus 4.8 remains the better system architect and product designer. Codex is very "miss the forest for the trees", but is much better at successfully making large changes in large codebases. Claude Code makes more mistakes, but has more taste and a better grasp on idiomatic and elegant software development. If you can afford to, I recommend juggling both.

Great analysis and follows my experience as well. Codex is better when you know how you want the design and the architecture and you drive the agent a lot more aggressively. Claude Code feels like more autopilot so executives and users who didn’t code before AI like it a lot more. But I feel like an expert who can drive GPT aggressively will out perform Opus. It’s why some smart people I know are opting for GPT and h…

Opus 4.7 (haven't tried 4.8) just really struggles writing correct code for complicated (i.e. valuable) work. I can handle architecture, which takes <1% of my time anyway. But writing code that's wrong is a cardinal sin. I've had much more luck with GPT 5.5 so far.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by yoyohello13 »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

I picked Anthropic way early on, before Claude code even existed. Because they at least play lip service to behaving morally. That’s the most you can hope for these days really.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by [deleted] »

isityettime wrote: post #133
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

> i bet 99% of people here, if presented with a test where i gave 5 models but all of the results came from one, would not be able to discern this. Just vibes all the way down. This is complicated by the way that the coding agents inject prompts that preempt and potentially undermine user instructions. I suspect that one of the reasons Codex works way better for me than Claude Code in certain projects is that the lat…

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