Most people think the current valuation is for the models themselves. Actually, they're building the infrastructure for the next 50 years.
Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you hold any amount of power in the world? A project that people care about, or a deliverable that someone depends on? Just curious how you can afford to care about the guy 7 levels above the men that built and support the API that you buy.
Some people care about things beyond their own immediate self interest. Some don't, and find it hard to believe others really do.
It’s also a weird argument.
You can only spend your money once, and the affected employees also chose to work for a bell-end like Altman (or Zuck, or Musk)
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#133I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…
> i bet 99% of people here, if presented with a test where i gave 5 models but all of the results came from one, would not be able to discern this. Just vibes all the way down.
This is complicated by the way that the coding agents inject prompts that preempt and potentially undermine user instructions. I suspect that one of the reasons Codex works way better for me than Claude Code in certain projects is that the latter adds some garbage like "go ahead and write repetitive copy/paste code, keep it simple, take shortcuts" to every session. A fair test would have to hide but more or less still use the harnesses, not just the models.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can’t tell the difference between code written in vim or vs code but it matters substantially to the person writing the code. There’s stuff beyond just the output that goes into tool choice.
Your argument is fine but different from the claim the OP is making. You cannot simply make a claim that (model + harness) X is better than Y, but then have no discernible difference in the output. Subjectively, people might still prefer one over due to anything from design to marketing, but that's very different from the claim that X is better than Y for coding (see: "A colleague was convinced Claude is better"). Ba…
> A colleague was convinced Claude is better
That’s actually what my comment was based on; raw code output isn’t the only measure of quality. Engineers write better code if they have the tools they prefer.
Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup
#136I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…
Very similar thing happened when I was at a design event a couple of days ago. I’d say it’s even worse on the design end - there was a big discussion around how to optimize your usage of Claude. Not optimize your usage of AI, but Claude specifically, as it was the only model literally all of them were using. The biggest issue is they were all hitting their usage limits. I asked whether they had tried other, lighter models (Ie gemini or composer), and it was like I was speaking a foreign language.
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#137Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup
#138I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.
Dario is genuinely as bad as Sam.
Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup
#139codex gtp-5.5 is far superior to opus 4.7 working on large projects
I strongly believe the reason gpt-5.x performs so well on large projects is because of the focused training they've done on their dedicated apply_patch primitive.
The official implementation of apply_patch is well thought out. It is a two-phase process that will not actually make any changes until all files in the change set are not ambiguous. The pre-commit error feedback usually fixes anchoring issues with one or two additional attempts. It generally goes something like:
Reading file A L1:154
Reading file B L1:123
Attempting to apply patch...
[anchor errors for both A & B]
Reading file A L43:67
Reading file B L50:74
Attempting to apply patch...
Patch succeeded! Running compilation & unit tests...
Techniques that replace the whole file or depend on find-replace are useful in more isolated contexts. However, when you need to refactor 20+ files, something like apply_patch is what you want. Anything that depends on specific line numbers for actual replacement targets is a total dead end for complex edit scenarios.
https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/tools-apply-pa...
Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup
#140I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…
I find codex superior in speed and equal in quality, so it’s my preference. But Claude Code made prettier UIs last time I tested. Codex produces Microsoft-grade UIs. Very enterprise and ugly unless I actively steer it.