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Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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I think European countries need to get serious about investing money locally. The UK is a particularly egregious example but it’s taking begging and pleading with the mansion house accord to even convince pensions to try to invest in the UK economy. Every country should make a portion of local (at least within Europe) investment a prerequisite for whatever favourable tax treatment pensions and similar products get.

So much wealth is tied up in pensions and it’s folly to let it all go to supporting the U.S. and eschew local investment altogether.

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I really want a QQQ/VOO replacement that excludes these new rushed IPOs that are just exit liquidity. There are ETFs that exclude harmful industries like gambling, weapons and tobacco. How about an ETF that doesn't include IPOs for six months or until insider lock ups periods are over.

You are making a mistake in equating several things here. Not only is this SpaceX IPO that has latched itself onto pensions through accelerated inclusion in the S&P100 and other funds a different and rather unique matter, but excluding harmful industries is really rather stupid of people who oppose those industries.

If, e.g., all those who opposed those industries had instead bought the industry stock, the people with those ideals opposed to those industries could have at the very least profited from the sale of the stock...which the company itself basically does not see direct benefit from (you are not buying the stock from the company or giving the company any money in most case)...and used/committed that money to even greater opposition. If a catalytic number of those had formed, they could have also even made real impact through shareholder initiatives and actions demanding changes by pressuring board members who rely on votes, etc.

It's one of those nonsensical, moralistic and ...sorry... foolish mindsets that common people have, the idea that simply by not participating the King will leave them be. The psychopathic narcissists in control will never leave you be, no matter how much you virtue signal by not buying their stock from someone else that is not the company or no matter how much you ask or how far you run and beg and ask to be left alone.

Frankly, although I am not certain that it was done intentionally, if I were a major mover and more powerful person, I would propose the very kind of moralizing, self-righteous campaign that has shot the commoners in their feet by getting them to simply check out and not participate in things the could have otherwise controlled a lot more.

So instead of people who actually care...but are clearly rather foolish...all/a disproportionate amount of control and power and money is left to those who do not have those qualms. Hence why none of this "excluding harmful industries" has affected anything whatsoever and we now have square mile measured AI data centers and tens of millions of low climate impact people being moved into high climate impact countries, and we have more war and death and addiction than humanity has seen in 90 years.

In case it is not yet clear to some of us, a stock is like if you went to some second hand/thrift store and bought a brand of clothing that was reviled for some reason or another, i.e., use of child sex slave labor, you giving a thrift store money to wear the second hand clothing not only does not benefit the reviled company, but just alone wearing second hand clothing will likely have more a positive impact than guying some other company's clothing that will later turn out to have used regular child labor.

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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> Glad Norway's oil fund has some sense and is above the virtue signaling of the Danes. How would you know if they are doing those moves because it's what they believe in, vs it's just a position they'd like to broadcast publicly? In my mind, a symbolic gesture would be to speak against Tesla and SpaceX without actually doing something, that'd be "virtue signaling" in my mind, but since they're actually doing somethi…

Railing against virtue signalling of some people is the preferred virtue signalling for some other people.

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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So are other major index funds. That's not the problem. The problem is that the NASDAQ 100 and most likely also S&P 500, change their rules to permit SpaceX to be added early without traditional time for price discovery. It happens jsut five trading days before the major index rebalance. After float adjustment SpaceX could be 1% of NASDAQ and 0.7% of SP500, but after full tranche escalation that takes over 130 days,…

> five trading days before the major index rebalance. I didn't realize this. That's really scammy.

Musk in a nutshell, but as long as the stock price goes up everyone looks the other way.

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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The issue is raised a lot but there is less and less time and I don't think it will hit mainstream before IPO is done and pension funds/passive investors will be forced to buy it.

It really does look bad: low float multiplier rule (that will overweight SpaceX) introduced very recently, fast inclusion mechanism, insiders being allowed to sell faster than usual etc.

It all looks like an orchestrated dump into passive investors/pension funds/other ETF holders.

Investing in IPOs is a terrible strategy historically. Here we have several mega IPOs incoming with rules being re-designed just for them to be included faster in your "passive" portfolio.

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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The fossil fuel industry is both the most subsidized industry worldwide ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel_subsidies ) and the second most expensive source of energy (at least for electricity production). The only energy source that is more expensive is nuclear (!).

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The oil companies pull out oil from the ground, a non sustainable resource which also creates direct damage to our own planet due to it being consumed/burned.

This is a subsidie.

Wind and solar are cheaper than fossil fuels this is absolutly true. Plenty of people around me have solar panels on the roof, a heatpump and energy storage. They are independent of any oil company like shell (who earned great thanks to the oil shortage?!).

Your argument regarding cost was borderline a few years ago and it might still be borderline in countries were oil is very cheap and we still ignore any ecological impact and responsiblity but overall no oil is more expensive.

Btw. just that you are aware of: A Heatpump can make out of 1 energy unit gas more energy. A EV engine has an efficency ov 95-99%.

So everyone who just burns gas directly (ICE or heating at home) is wasting energy.

It would be more efficient if you would make that oil/gas into energy, use the process heat of it for remote heating and use the elictricty directly in an EV or for a heatpump.

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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The Financial Times' Unhedged Podcast covered the SpaceX IPO recently and highlighted the same issues that the Danish pension fund raised concerns about. https://www.ft.com/content/a401b0c0-fcc0-4bae-9f57-e8d5c0957...

I enjoyed this piece the most [0].

[0] https://www.profgmedia.com/p/spacex-stasy

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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Dimensional runs a bunch of ETFs which are effectively US & world equity index trackers that don’t slavishly follow the indices & can therefore avoid being forced to buy into IPOs or index updates. E.g. DFUS is effectively VTI (IIRC) without the requirement to immediately buy into IPOs that are added to the index: https://www.dimensional.com/us-en/funds/dfus/us-equity-market-etf I don’t think they have a QQQ equivale…

I knew that would be a Ben Felix vid. He's awesome.

It's important to note, that whether it's intentional (doubt) or genuine mistake, he's misleading viewers when he says that Dimensional has outperformed other funds or indexes. In fact most of the Dimensional funds have underperformed markets, and they do so at higher (albeit approachable) TERs of 0.25.

There's a (rather short for his standards) video made by Paolo Coletti, professor of financial economy at Trento about dimensional performances.

It's in Italian, but both subtitles and Youtube's auto audio translation works fine.

He always includes data and google colabs so people can run tests and verify numbers themselves if they disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_tBfYHh1J4

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The fossil fuel part doesn't seem like a rational decision to me. Why are we pretending that fossil fuels dont provide an immense amount of value for humanity, and that its horrible to invest or support building out any fossil fuel production whatsoever. Lets not do produce it ourselves, lets just instead outsource it to the gulfs and Russia…

Nobody is pretending fossil fuels are not producing value, if they did not nobody would bother using them in the first place. The argument is about the fact that they produce relatively short term value for the person using them, at the externalized expense of polluting the atmosphere and causing long-term environmental instability and destruction for every subsequent generation for the foreseeable future. Coastal re…

I think a lot of people actually dont realize the value it gives humanity. Lots of people think we would have been better of in an alternate universe where we never discovered oil & gas.

How is this short therm value for people using them? They are drivers of the most fundamental stuff in our day to day lives. Either enabling billions of people cheap efficient transport, efficient agriculture producing cheap food, cheap and efficient global shipping of goods, a great portable and ajustable source of electricity.

I think as of now its a question on how much you are willing to sacrifice human welfare over preserving current nature/environment. Extreme weather has largely been solved for humans, the trend is still less death and starvation caused by extreme weather, we are immensely adaptable and resilient.

Im not sure our current pace of reducing emissions is that horrible. There are reasons to why it takes time. I might be too optimistic, but I think we will largely solve human issues. Nature as you point out, im worried about, although I know less about. And its hard to quantify what the value is for us.

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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It sounds amazing for 14yo boys who are not specifically into hard sci-fi.

I guess we'll see, because most 14 year olds don't have a lot of money to put into SpaceX.

'Stock goes up so we buy it' has sufficient explanatory power to resolve this conundrum.
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