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WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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That's a lovely thought but it assumes, as with so many other things about our republican form of government, that the political appointees are good faith actors, at least with respect to funding of science. There are many reasons to suspect that the goal here is not just control of funding, but the defenestration of science more broadly because scientific findings tend to conflict with assertions politicians would l…

> That's a lovely thought but it assumes, as with so many other things about our republican form of government, that the political appointees are good faith actors, at least with respect to funding of science. It doesn't assume that. It's simply a factual matter that the rules that govern the country are those of the constitution. And the institutional principles of particular fields are subordinate to the constituti…

> The only possible answer in a republic is that people accountable to the political system are allocated that power.

It's not that what's happening in the US with respect to science funding is not legal, it's just dumb. And, no, it doesn't have to be this way or that way because the constitution says so.

There are probably millions of spending decisions happening daily that are delegated, by elected or appointed officials, to non-elected or non-appointed people. In the scientific realm, spending decisions have been largely delegated to scientists since the end of WW2, and it's been very effective.

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science is a tool. It does not "guide", no more than a hammer guides.

The form of a tool guides its use. You can tell what a hammer is for just by picking one up.

You can probably tell it's for hitting things. But not what things

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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post #162

I am sure China is loving what the US/Trump is doing. Already China is about to take the lead in medical research and I think it is ahead in renewable energy. With this, I guess the US will end up as a third rate country much quicker.

A friend in a prestigious European university said that applications were up in basically all fields

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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post #162

I am sure China is loving what the US/Trump is doing. Already China is about to take the lead in medical research and I think it is ahead in renewable energy. With this, I guess the US will end up as a third rate country much quicker.

A friend in a prestigious European university said that applications were up in basically all fields

Win win for Europe and the USA, both get what they want.

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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More of the same at this point.

If you are politically connected, or stay in an narrow lane of approved work, you get your grant. But if you stray from the politically approved path, or appear disloyal to our First Citizen and the Party, then your grant will be canceled.

The remaining supporters of the incumbent party like to claim that they aren't actually doing anything worse than in the past, and if anything they are just cracking down on things that they see as subjectively bad, so it's fine. And there's an element of truth in that: so much of American policy for a long time has been subject to agency interpretation and judicial review, and there was always room for political maneuvering and corruption in the system. Where the truth becomes a lie is the omission that this is the systematic ramping up from something that happens occasionally in a mostly-functioning system, to something that happens constantly and is systematically designed to facilitate corruption and politicization.

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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if the Dems don't also take back the Senate, this country is done

it will take longer than this decade, maybe even next, to restore the brain loss and faith in secure jobs for research

basically this country will just become a highway of non-stop warehouses, alternating ICE prisons vs "AI" datacenters

science, medicine, all research and development just gone to other countries

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