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Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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This sounds amazing until something needs replacement. Until data centers on earth has a 99.99% (or higher) level of autonomous operation with very minimal requirements to maintenance and part replacements, they're not sending anything into orbit...

It sounds amazing for 14yo boys who are not specifically into hard sci-fi.

I guess we'll see, because most 14 year olds don't have a lot of money to put into SpaceX.

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The criticism seems politically motivated. Considering what happened to Blue Origin, SpaceX's success is commendable. Although I agree $1.8T seems crazy.

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Think so? I feel like HN has always had a high level of simping.

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In Norway the oil fund are actively arguing against boycotting these kinds of companies saying, and I paraphrase: "but our job is to earn money and we can't do that if you hippies keep standing in the way with your morals" Good to see it isn't necessarily the case.

That’s exactly what you would want your money manager to say. It’s their job to turn a profit. In turn you also want democratically elected politicians above that saying “yes, but the people want their money made ethically, so you can’t do that”.

sorry, but i wouldn't want my money manager to attempt to engage in unethical or illegal practices in order to turn a profit...

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I have AkademikerPension as my pension fund through work and this move suits me quite well. They've already excluded Tesla as well as a variety of companies that profit of weapon production, fossil fuel production or are suspected for human rights violations. https://akademikerpension.dk/ansvarlighed/ekskluderede-selsk...

How does Tesla fit with the rest of those?

I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk but Tesla is a company that produces electric cars (mostly in western countries with half-decent labour laws), it's not associated with any of those things.

I guess one could argue with some merit that the governance is bad enough to exclude it on that basis alone?

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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I have AkademikerPension as my pension fund through work and this move suits me quite well. They've already excluded Tesla as well as a variety of companies that profit of weapon production, fossil fuel production or are suspected for human rights violations. https://akademikerpension.dk/ansvarlighed/ekskluderede-selsk...

In Norway the oil fund are actively arguing against boycotting these kinds of companies saying, and I paraphrase: "but our job is to earn money and we can't do that if you hippies keep standing in the way with your morals" Good to see it isn't necessarily the case.

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Apologies for the naivety, but, why is SpaceX valued so high? Starlink? Are rockets really a lucrative business? Don’t get me wrong, being able to send objects up into orbit is cool, but is it $1.8T cool?

Monetary policy in the US is too loose and has been for years

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the Starship project may be struggling, Falcon 9 is still a massive success, with a successful launch every couple of weeks, making up most of humanity's access to space/LEO right now. And Starlink is a pretty big deal, particularly in a time of conflict where undersea cables are very vulnerable. If Elon hadn't shifted so far to the right, these threads would be near-universally praising SpaceX despite Starship…

Interesting definition of "struggling", as in "managed to catch the largest booster rocket ever built with by snatching it mid air, and land the largest space ship in the ocean using a belly flop maneuver that everyone said was crazy and would never work".

The 'struggle' is that they seem to have regressed from that point, and that the scale of Starship is perhaps too big for a 'fail fast, iterate rapidly' approach.

Especially now that every failure results in a massive wave of negative publicity

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I have AkademikerPension as my pension fund through work and this move suits me quite well. They've already excluded Tesla as well as a variety of companies that profit of weapon production, fossil fuel production or are suspected for human rights violations. https://akademikerpension.dk/ansvarlighed/ekskluderede-selsk...

How does Tesla fit with the rest of those? I'm not a huge fan of Elon Musk but Tesla is a company that produces electric cars (mostly in western countries with half-decent labour laws), it's not associated with any of those things. I guess one could argue with some merit that the governance is bad enough to exclude it on that basis alone?

Agreed - Tesla has been an insanely good investment. I'm not sure about the next 10 years, but people have continuously underestimated them (and Elon Musk). The Norwegian so called Oil Fund owns more than 1% of Tesla.

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post #196

I really want a QQQ/VOO replacement that excludes these new rushed IPOs that are just exit liquidity. There are ETFs that exclude harmful industries like gambling, weapons and tobacco. How about an ETF that doesn't include IPOs for six months or until insider lock ups periods are over.

Dimensional runs a bunch of ETFs which are effectively US & world equity index trackers that don’t slavishly follow the indices & can therefore avoid being forced to buy into IPOs or index updates. E.g. DFUS is effectively VTI (IIRC) without the requirement to immediately buy into IPOs that are added to the index:

  https://www.dimensional.com/us-en/funds/dfus/us-equity-market-etf
I don’t think they have a QQQ equivalent but I haven’t looked at their entire ETF list.

(I have no relationship with Dimensional, nor do I invest in these funds - I just saw them mentioned in a YT video on this topic a few months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqIHa6URUPk )

Re: Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Governance'

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Apologies for the naivety, but, why is SpaceX valued so high? Starlink? Are rockets really a lucrative business? Don’t get me wrong, being able to send objects up into orbit is cool, but is it $1.8T cool?

Because of the Musk reality distortion field. The claim is that all data centers will move into space, and that SpaceX will completely own that market.

Where did they say that all data centers will move into space? I thought the claim was that it's going to be more and more feasible and profitable to have DC's in space.
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