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Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by sofixa »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34
antirez wrote: post #27

I really want Europe to be part of the AI development and research. And I strongly cheered for Mistral. But they are accumulating too much technological delay. This needs to be fixed, otherwise it will turn into yet another proof we are not able to run large tech with good results. Basically any Chinese lab is doing much better. It's not Mistral that created I don't want to say DeepSeek, but MiMo 2.5, Minimax 2.7, an…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

Did you read even a summary of the AI Act?

The gist of it is very simple - depending on the risk of what you're doing with AI, you have to document why it did what it did, and be able to explain it; or you can't use it at all. So if you're using AI for mass surveillance, you can't; if you're using it for treating loan applications you need to be able to explain why it approved/denied; if it's a customer service chatbot, do whatever, nobody cares.

Not only is burden of the legislation fairly low (and a lot of it hasn't come into force yet), it is extremely reasonable. No, sorry, we don't want a UnitedHealthcare using a broken algorithm on purpose to deny as much care as possible and hiding behind computer says no.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by __m »

xienze wrote: post #105
gregorygoc wrote: post #93

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Good question, given that American companies basically threw copyright law into the trash, I think they should.

Well if they did wouldn't be able to feel superior to Americans about that particular thing. Perish the thought!

It’s really a pity, why can’t they feel superior while breaking ToS and copyrights just like Americans can feel superior over Deepseek while breaking ToS and copyrights?

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by PeterStuer »

pembrook wrote: post #101
ar0 wrote: post #40

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I agree. I am a paying Le Chat Pro user, really rooting for a European alternative. But the quality difference between Mistral and the frontier labs is growing too big to ignore. It’s worrying to me that they didn’t talk much about new models at the conference, because that is really where their focus should be IMHO. I am wondering what is keeping them back, though: Money? Compute? Skills? Training data? My fear is t…

> what is keeping them back, though: Money? Compute? Skills? Training data? All of the above and more. Everything holding Mistral back is the same thing that has held Europe back from competing in the entire digital revolution. See this 1991 article lamenting the loss of any viable European PC manufacturer: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/22/business/europe-stumbles-... Mistral being in Europe is disadvantaged with:…

1 and 2 are the same. Infinite money without barely any consequence because of 'reserve currency' privilege. To compete with that, the EU can't nuke the dollar because it would be suicide given the Eurodollar realities, and they can't anchor EU ip and talent because our politicians are too intertwined with globalist ideology and capital.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by joe_mamba »

phillc73 wrote: post #142
joe_mamba wrote: post #35

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Except there's no such thing as the "European model" similar how Europe is not a country. Mistral is mostly French and tends to have mostly French speaking customers, like BNP PAribas in Belgium. Germany will want its own domestic AI champions, maybe in partnership with Switzerland and Austria, similar to how Denmark already has invested in LLMs focused on the Nordic languages with money from Norway. The biggest mist…

Mistral just acquired Emmi AI, an Austrian startup. German and French speaking together at last. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48197995

Was EMI specialized in the German language LLMs? Or is it that they're an Austrian lab?

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by alecco »

Epa095 wrote: post #134
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

You don't compete with anthrophopic from the basement. For that you need either a shit loads of money, or a government which are not afraid of getting very very involved. There is a lot of Europeans working on AI, it's just that a lot of them work for American companies. Because of money.

I think both of you are correct.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by kubb »

antirez wrote: post #27

I really want Europe to be part of the AI development and research. And I strongly cheered for Mistral. But they are accumulating too much technological delay. This needs to be fixed, otherwise it will turn into yet another proof we are not able to run large tech with good results. Basically any Chinese lab is doing much better. It's not Mistral that created I don't want to say DeepSeek, but MiMo 2.5, Minimax 2.7, an…

> But they are accumulating too much technological delay.

How so? Catching up is easier and cheaper than spearheading the lead.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by [deleted] »

antirez wrote: post #83
neonstatic wrote: post #76

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> the EU funding nations are getting marginalized by the countries they welcomed Thank you for reminding us that all animals are equal, but some are more equal

It's not a matter of importance, but that bad actors as they tried to do in Italy, corrupting EU parliament, may be doing the same with counties are have less visibility. A weak EU is not also in the best interest of countries that wanted the AI act, and surely not in the interest of their citizens, but there could be pressures.

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Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by alecco »

antirez wrote: post #68
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

Possibly yes but let me remember you that France, Italy Germany were against the AI act, so here something very odd is happening, that the EU funding nations are getting marginalized by the countries they welcomed on key topics for our future , and I believe corruption could be a big part of what is happening, both internal to those three countries and at an even more alarming rate in other countries.

Who put a nepo-baby lawyer in charge of the big €95bn AI fund? EU bureaucrats living the 6-figure high life with chauffeurs and private jets in a bubble completely isolated from reality.

I hate the fake European foreign-backed right-wing parties but they didn't cause the current situation.

But I'm afraid it might be too late as the cancer spread and did too much damage. Insane regulations, no energy, looming demographic/pension crisis, tax hell, and collapsing industries.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by akie »

esperent wrote: post #119
MichaelZuo wrote: post #118

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No, we want you to backup your claims and provide sources or stop adding pointless low effort anti-EU noise to the conversation. It's frustrating, any time there's any kind of discussion about anything European on HN it gets flooded with shallow, low effort "EU-bad" posts like your contributions here. If you're going to make that claim at least put some effort in.

This is a mostly American forum and some people want to piss on the EU to elevate themselves. Europeans do the same to the US but about politics, health care, work life balance, and quality of life. You know, the stuff that matters :D

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by KronisLV »

gregorygoc wrote: post #96
ctrlkctrls wrote: post #85

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it doesn't matter the reason. This is a race and nobody will care or remember how the winners got there. Mistral looks like it's fading away to irrelevance unless they can play alongside the similar sized models, or have some unique advantage other than being in Europe, for Europe. I was really excited for them back when they were startup that had the biggest European venture round ever. This space will have a few wi…

It’s not that I don’t agree with you, I am just pointing out why it’s hard to catch up to scaling laws given the European economic (capital) and political (US would be upset if they found out Europeans distill) constraints. China is only bound by economic constraints.

With the insight in your comment and this bit from the above one:

> This is a race and nobody will care or remember how the winners got there.

It seems like the EU should have paid China for the distillation datasets, esp. since Mistral isn’t even a governmental org.

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