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It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

whimblepop wrote: post #83

I was seduced by Apple Silicon after experiencing the exceptional battery life and performance. Those things are great, as are the screens and the speakers. But I'm still excited about the Framework 12 because I don't love macOS. I don't need an alternative to beat Apple on every line of the spec sheet. I just need them to align with my values, support Linux well, and cross a certain "good enough" threshold. The late…

The thing about the framework 12 is that they are giving you an open device that is meant to be upgraded. The value of that is different to everyone, but to place it side by side hardware wise and try to compare it as if it is equivalent on the software side to the closed source bullshit Apple has on offer feels at the very least a false equivalency

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by minitech »

majormajor wrote: post #438
thefossguy69 wrote: post #424

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The biggest papercut preventing me from being productive on macOS is it's horrible window management which cannot be traversed with keyboard shortcuts like one does in WMs like bspwm and others on Linux and that absolutely insane ~500 ms delay in setting the focused window when moving between virtual desktops. For some reason, Apple's ideal desktop experience is tailored around focusing on one application at a time.…

> For some reason, Apple's ideal desktop experience is tailored around focusing on one application at a time. Which is certainly true for some workflows, but that's not me. This is a very weird-sounding take to someone who has used Macs for three decades and recalls that for most of that time they never even had a full-screen mode. Apple's desktop experience DNA is still, for better or worse, deeply anchored to spati…

Not one window, but one application. Which is, yeah, about the worst of both worlds.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by qmr »

thefossguy69 wrote: post #424
commandersaki wrote: post #415

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Funny it’s the opposite for me. What if I want to switch between desktops of multiple users; easy with fast user switching, not really a thing in Linux (yeah I’m sure it can be hacked up, but bleh).

The biggest papercut preventing me from being productive on macOS is it's horrible window management which cannot be traversed with keyboard shortcuts like one does in WMs like bspwm and others on Linux and that absolutely insane ~500 ms delay in setting the focused window when moving between virtual desktops. For some reason, Apple's ideal desktop experience is tailored around focusing on one application at a time.…

Check spectacle app

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by isatty »

cloverich wrote: post #366
nozzlegear wrote: post #174

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Is this just "Person discovers DRM, c. 2026" dressed up as a complaint about Apple?

That's a bit disingenuous isn't it? Being unable to use any screenshot tool to capture an image on my laptop's browser was surprising to me, yes. Or are you arguing that Apple's implementations are no more restrictive than on any linux machine, so as such there is no case to be made for anything DRM related that a non-Apple device is superior (less limiting) in any way? Or... I suppose what is your actual argument he…

This is the same on anything with DRM. You can watch content without DRM and you’ll be limited to 720p but you can take screenshots.

I don’t like it either but it has nothing to do with Apple.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by system2 »

mkeedlinger wrote: post #325
chromadon wrote: post #311

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- "Let’s not forget that Apple advertises paid subscriptions in notifications and settings pane alerts when you first buy the computer." I've literally never seen an advert outside of a 3rd party app or website on any Apple device I've owned (many).

I just switched to an iPhone and I don’t know how this could possibly be the case for you. I get them from a bunch of Apple apps and even in the settings app.

If you mean Fitness alerts and others, you can simply turn off your notifications for them. It takes 10 seconds to disable all notifications for apps.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by pmontra »

A question to all developers working on 12 and 13 inches laptops. Do you spend most of your time connected to an external monitor or do you use the laptop one? My instinct is that there isn't enough space for two side by side windows of code but of course people working on 24" monitors would say the same about my 15.6" screen.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

altcognito wrote: post #436
thefossguy69 wrote: post #424

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The biggest papercut preventing me from being productive on macOS is it's horrible window management which cannot be traversed with keyboard shortcuts like one does in WMs like bspwm and others on Linux and that absolutely insane ~500 ms delay in setting the focused window when moving between virtual desktops. For some reason, Apple's ideal desktop experience is tailored around focusing on one application at a time.…

It is bizarro. With multi monitor sometimes I click windows and things don’t show. Dragging when more than one dialog is open is unpredictable. The corners are huge, even when maximized. Even the vaunted application bar is so weird - and windows is trying to copy it! Why can’t we use the entire bottom of the screen? Apps don’t show there anyway! You can’t get rid of it and replace it with something else? Just not all…

>You can’t get rid of it and replace it with something else?

You can hide it. I rarely use it as I use a launcher.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by bilekas »

pmontra wrote: post #446

A question to all developers working on 12 and 13 inches laptops. Do you spend most of your time connected to an external monitor or do you use the laptop one? My instinct is that there isn't enough space for two side by side windows of code but of course people working on 24" monitors would say the same about my 15.6" screen.

I had a smaller 13 inch laptop before that packed a punch but almost exclusively on the docking station and connected to screens, if I would on the sofa and thought I needed to do something really quick, I would grab it but it was painful. People just get used to things though, there are stories of people writing detailed packages on their phone sure!

Even now on 17 inches, I still use it exlusively on the dock with screens!

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

benoau wrote: post #414
ramijames wrote: post #399

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I think that people aren't seeing what Apple is doing through the lens of efficiency, and the wider impact that has on their software and hardware. Them not having to support 30+ year old software means that they can be more nimble and make better hardware choices. Look at the mess that Microsoft has made for itself by setting the requirement that software made in the 90s must still run on modern OSs and hardware. It…

As a counter-point, look at WINE on Linux and Crostini's containerized software on ChromeOS, clearly it is possible to support varied software without over-complicating the OS. And that's what Rosetta 2 does as well, if it's held Apple back the last 6 years it hasn't shown at all. It will be very surprising if we see any benefits from cutting Rosetta 2, especially worth gutting all the games and software this has emp…

At this point cutting Rossetta 2 is probably to force the laggards like Sonos to start supporting Apple Silicon.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by nicce »

boobsbr wrote: post #260
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #247

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> I don't want my computer to update itself without my permission Does this happen on MacOS? I don’t think I’ve experienced this.

I have a 2015 Air running El Capitain, never updated itself.

Just 2 days ago my MacBook closed all apps it could and tried to update from 26.3.1 to 26.5

I guess current version matters.

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