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Re: You can just say it

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Post by gavinray »

lantry wrote: post #98
gavinray wrote: post #33

"Humans are valuable" For what, and to whom? This is a very anthropo-centric and hubristic view, in my opinion. I dont think a human life inherently has any more value than anything else that possesses phenomenal consciousness This of course makes me somewhat of a hypocrite as I eat meat, but you make some tradeoffs in moral resolve in the name of pragmatism and economy.

How is eating meat pragmatic or economic? A vegetarian diet is less expensive and just as healthy.

Hard to find more protein per dollar than $2/lb of canned chicken with an equal or even similar Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS).

Re: You can just say it

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Post by fantasizr »

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

I feel bad for this generation who will have to listen to prompted eulogies and wedding toasts. And worse for the genuine writers who now will be accused of having done so.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by cortesoft »

antirez wrote: post #2

This is by far the best definition of AI slop I ever read, and the blog post itself is the contrary of AI slop: a short post where each word matters. The creation of an output that is at the same time large and lacks fundamental motivation/understanding is what creates AI slop, not the use of AI itself. This distinction allows us to have a mental model to don't blame AI itself but its continuous misuses. This also cr…

I agree. I have gotten frustrated by a lot of recent anti-AI rhetoric, not necessarily because I entirely disagree with the premise but because it is too generic in its form. It has started to sound to me like the people who complain about "chemicals" in their food and water.

The real complaints are about specific aspects of AI and its use, and this essay does a really good job of articulating one of them. It is something we can actually discuss and address.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by singingtoday »

galangalalgol wrote: post #65
singingtoday wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm dyslexic. I put every comment through the LLM, or other tools. Including this comment. I understand where you're coming from but please believe me when I tell you that if I write comments myself nobody will understand them and it just turns into an argument where people claim I say things that I didn't say. By filtering my comments through an llm, I have reduced this issue significantly.

That is a fantastic use and would likely benefit asd as well. Could you share your strategies for creating something that is still you and concise but comprehensible to neurotypicals?

https://i.imgur.com/FyTfcyx.png

Re: You can just say it

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Post by singingtoday »

frizlab wrote: post #52
singingtoday wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm dyslexic. I put every comment through the LLM, or other tools. Including this comment. I understand where you're coming from but please believe me when I tell you that if I write comments myself nobody will understand them and it just turns into an argument where people claim I say things that I didn't say. By filtering my comments through an llm, I have reduced this issue significantly.

There’s a difference between fixing a few incorrect words in a text and having an essay (or email or whatever) written from a few words. I don’t think the parent comment would object w/ your use of LLMs.

Thank you for seeing it my way!

Re: You can just say it

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singingtoday wrote: post #48
reaperducer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also I just find it a little insulting if someone sends me an AI response. If you can't be bothered to write it, I can't be bothered to read it.

I'm dyslexic. I put every comment through the LLM, or other tools. Including this comment. I understand where you're coming from but please believe me when I tell you that if I write comments myself nobody will understand them and it just turns into an argument where people claim I say things that I didn't say. By filtering my comments through an llm, I have reduced this issue significantly.

> nobody will understand them and it just turns into an argument where people claim I say things that I didn't say

I don’t think that’s dyslexia.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

>“Humans are valuable.” You can just say it. As a human yourself, I advise you to. You do not need to qualify it. This is a robust1 statement that is not conditional on a point-in-time snapshot of the leading frontier model’s score on some recent benchmark.

Nope, it very much is conditional to it, as it's conditional to utility.

The OP is not going to come an pay someone who can't get a job and has zero market value due to AI.

So this "a human is (intristically) valuable" is just a meaningless pat on the back, while the human is devalued.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by nojs »

tsunagatta wrote: post #75
roenxi wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's one of those sentiments where people say it but they probably don't mean it literally. Much like if your boss asks for honest feedback giving it to them with both barrels is a career limiting move. You make subtle mistakes in how you perceive the world, the interlocutor makes similar mistakes and the damage those mistakes do is limited if you follow some structural rules of how to communicate (aka polite…

I am not the author but I have used that quote before, and no, I mean it literally. I would prefer any words that came from your own brain over the output of a statistical model. I don't mind if it's short, or didn't take much time, or doesn't have much thought put into it, I want it to be yours. The subtle mistakes in how my interlocutor perceives the world and communicates themselves are the entire point.

“tell my obnoxious boss to fuck off about the tps reports” isn’t a great career move for them though

Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

roenxi wrote: post #53
cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

Yeah, that's one of those sentiments where people say it but they probably don't mean it literally. Much like if your boss asks for honest feedback giving it to them with both barrels is a career limiting move. You make subtle mistakes in how you perceive the world, the interlocutor makes similar mistakes and the damage those mistakes do is limited if you follow some structural rules of how to communicate (aka polite…

Nope, I would prefer getting the prompt.

I would also prefer anyone sending me the AI output and not either their ideas or their prompt, to not contant me ever again.

If I wanted the output of the AI, I'd ask it myself. You're just a useless intermediary if you send it to me.

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