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Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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gspr wrote: post #44
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

So you're saying AI models should be allowed to freely "manipulate human behavior"?

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Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by sroussey »

rhdunn wrote: post #64
lettergram wrote: post #21

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We actually found the Mistral Small 4, quantized to 4bit was comparable to Qwen 3.6 27B and is roughly the same size. At least from our experience on our use cases, the quantization of the Mistral model worked far better than trying to quantize the Qwen family. Fully agree to your point though, Mistral in general is far behind where I'd expect and Qwen in particular is crushing it at the smaller sizes. Personally, I'…

It's all relative. For local use I'd classify it by hardware (VRAM size) using FP8 or Q6 quantization: 1. tiny 2. small 4-8B -- runnable on 8GB GPUs 3. medium 9-12B -- runnable on 12GB GPUs 4. large 13-24B -- runnable on 16GB (for the lower end models) and 24GB GPUs 5. very large 25-32GB -- runnable on 32GB GPUs 6. huge >32GB -- not easily runnable on consumer GPUs without compromising performance (offloading layers…

As a Mac user:

1. tiny 2. small 4-8B -- last of browser options, MacBook Air base

3. medium 9-24B -- 32GB machine, air or pro notebook or mini

4. large 25-48B -- 64GB, pro notebook or mini

5. x-large 49-100B -- 128GB MacBook Pro or Studio

6. Huge > 100B -- 256/512GB Mac Studio

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by baq »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #67
mattnewton wrote: post #48

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My theory with no insider information: it’s a little of all of the above, but mostly money. To some extent, you can dig yourself out of a data hole with RL and a lot of compute. And you can buy a lot of compute and some data with a lot of money. Big labs have been operating in this regime for a while and it’s one of the drivers behind their costs beyond just scaling the weights and doing the actual training. Mistral…

Don’t they supposedly have a huge amount of EU support? Or at least there’s been a lot of noise about that.

They can get what, 1B euros? 10B when everyone loses their mind? This doesn’t buy nearly enough compute nowadays.

Meanwhile, Anthropic and OpenAI have investors practically begging them to let them buy this much equity at mind-bogging valuations.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by mattnewton »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #67
mattnewton wrote: post #48

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My theory with no insider information: it’s a little of all of the above, but mostly money. To some extent, you can dig yourself out of a data hole with RL and a lot of compute. And you can buy a lot of compute and some data with a lot of money. Big labs have been operating in this regime for a while and it’s one of the drivers behind their costs beyond just scaling the weights and doing the actual training. Mistral…

Don’t they supposedly have a huge amount of EU support? Or at least there’s been a lot of noise about that.

I wouldn't be surprised if each of the frontier American labs and individually has compute access similar to the entire EU. Chinese firms are a more interesting comparison since there are a fair amount of great models there, and it's estimated about 15% of the ai relevant compute is in China versus maybe 5% in the EU under European companies (and 70% ish in the US is the most common ballpark I see)

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by neonstatic »

simonw wrote: post #3

> BNP Paribas runs Mistral models on-prem for KYC in Belgium, with sensitive data staying within the bank's walls. Abanca is using agent orchestration to handle sensitive customer information at a huge scale (2 million customers in their app). For European companies in regulated industries, this is a good alternative to relying on US hyperscalers. Mistral leaning into on-prem and European-hosted models is very smart.

It may be very smart for them, but it also shows that the EU has no desire, therefore no chance, to change and lead anything. The only thing it has is regulation.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by neonstatic »

antirez wrote: post #68
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

Possibly yes but let me remember you that France, Italy Germany were against the AI act, so here something very odd is happening, that the EU funding nations are getting marginalized by the countries they welcomed on key topics for our future , and I believe corruption could be a big part of what is happening, both internal to those three countries and at an even more alarming rate in other countries.

> the EU funding nations are getting marginalized by the countries they welcomed

Thank you for reminding us that all animals are equal, but some are more equal

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by darkamaul »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34
antirez wrote: post #27

I really want Europe to be part of the AI development and research. And I strongly cheered for Mistral. But they are accumulating too much technological delay. This needs to be fixed, otherwise it will turn into yet another proof we are not able to run large tech with good results. Basically any Chinese lab is doing much better. It's not Mistral that created I don't want to say DeepSeek, but MiMo 2.5, Minimax 2.7, an…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

Well , there isn’t also the opposite take from TechCrunch where they say: Why Paris may be the most important AI city outside Silicon Valley. [0]

While the EU loves its regulation, I still feel it’s too early to write it down in the AI race. It will not replace Anthropic or OpenAI any time soon, but even Google and Meta fail to do that.

If AI continue to grow and expand, there is enough space for many more unicorns.

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/28/why-paris-may-be-the-most-...

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by gregorygoc »

antirez wrote: post #68
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_Act#Pe... Europe shot itself in the dick with this hastily implemented at the height of mass hysteria bullshit and now no sane company will build anything there. an AI startup in the US or China can be a boy and his computer. in Europe, the boy needs a dozen lawyers. Mistral's sinking into irrelevancy despite the head start they had, the very promising early model…

Possibly yes but let me remember you that France, Italy Germany were against the AI act, so here something very odd is happening, that the EU funding nations are getting marginalized by the countries they welcomed on key topics for our future , and I believe corruption could be a big part of what is happening, both internal to those three countries and at an even more alarming rate in other countries.

EU big nations getting marginalized: haha. The only reason there’s no US-like tariff on Chinese cars is because Germany was too scared it would lose its access to Chinese market.

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by gregorygoc »

antirez wrote: post #69
GaProgMan wrote: post #61

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Compared to the UK Government which recently announced 10 million GBP for AI research, which will likely be scooped up by consultants. I think Europe is doing fine considering.

The first step would be indeed to join forces with UK, in order to don't be two entities, which is very unnatural to me.

No, we don’t need US’s Trojan horse in the EU

Re: Notes from the Mistral AI Now Summit

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Post by gregorygoc »

zuzululu wrote: post #60

Wasn't even aware Mistral was around and I think that just shows you how irrelevant it has become and not a very good sign for EU in general when the best talent are working for American AI companies. I saw Tibo's tweet a while back and it was basically a legitimate complaint about the extreme taxation he faced back in EU (France I think) and its pretty obvious how much of a hinderance top down centralized regulation…

Big tech has remote offices in every major European economy, and they pay well above top 90th percentile of market rate. It basically has a talent sucking effect on the entire economy.
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