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Post by lukan »

rockskon wrote: post #225
lukan wrote: post #121

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"That person who made a racist joke on Discord when they were 13 years old? That should be able to ruin them when they're 30!" Or society could move on and accept that people progress. Also I am not aware of any instances where 30 year olds were punished for a racist joke they made with 13. The only instance I remotely know, is of a german politician, who made a deeply racist and neonazi pamphlet when he was 17 - and…

In the 2010's, there was an instance of a late-teens/early-20's girl targeted by a group of too-online people for a racist chat log made when she was around 12 or 13 years old. The people went after her dad's business too because of his association with her. Aside from getting her fired from her job, they also tried to destroy her dad's business. I get that less-than-10 years isn't a ton of time, but it also represen…

I would like to read more, if possible.

Lynch mobs usually ain't fair or just or busy with factfinding, but I know there are also a lot of people hiding behind a mask and do not like to get exposed by confronting them with something out of a time when they were not so careful yet.

Personally I just avoid racists (or argue with them) and don't attack their stuff or even family and don't think this is the way, to get to a world without or even less racism.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

Frieren wrote: post #108
sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

I wish people would stop saying we created this hell, as if everyone had a choice as to whether or not they grew up in this increasingly dystopian reality. Blame the people that are actually to blame, not everyone else. It's a tired tactic to shift blame from those who are actually accountable for these systems and technologies.

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Post by kibwen »

noir_lord wrote: post #189
Frieren wrote: post #108

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> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

It's also akin to Roko's basilisk's - the people who don't realise how pervasive and invasive it has become seem the happiest while the ones like us who've often been around computers since the 80's and just watched our society sleep walk into it feel the worst. That many of us then end up working for the companies doing it makes for a bad feeling across the industry.

Except unlike Roko's basilisk, this is not absurd pseudo-game-theory extrapolation based on the hypothetical existence of a supreme superintelligence that is simultaneously infinitely vengeful, infinitely omniscient, and infintely omnimpotent; instead it's just the same authoritarian corporate-backed police-state privacy encroachment that has been tightening around our throats for years.

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Post by techdmn »

bluGill wrote: post #205
jjav wrote: post #157

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That is the only solution unless something radically changes. For me, I will never own a car with any kind of screen on the dash.

You can do that just be aware that you will eventually be spending more than just buying a new car just to keep the current one in good repair. Car collectors get around this because they use have a different car as the daily driver, and their collected car is repaired and only used in parades and such. You are also turning away a lot of the advances in electric vehicles. Paying for gas in your old car, could be more…

Parts availability can be a problem, but especially if you drive a once popular model and are willing to do work yourself, the mileage you can get out of junkyard parts is significant.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by tinfoilhatter »

bluGill wrote: post #204
coldtea wrote: post #183

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> only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here. From the same goverments that want more state surveillance and even buy the private profile data from data brokers? Only a new ...revolution would get us out of here...

Most of the governments you are talking about are voted on by the people. And when the people care, the governments change. When the people don't care, yes, the government does want lots of data. However, people do often care about such things and that limits the government.

Voted on by the people, and yet in 2026 we have no way to actually confirm our votes are counted or factored into who gets elected. Every single US president is related, sans Van Buren, but there's no way our elections are rigged! Not sure how many corrupt politicians have to take office before people will start questioning the legitimacy of elections.

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Post by jamwil »

Zambyte wrote: post #207
mc3301 wrote: post #139

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Climate and terrain allowing, bicycles reign supreme as a transport. Especially with all the new adaptive-, electric-, accessible- cycles out there, cars should be "rare but welcome strange guests" in many neighborhoods, downtowns, etc.

As you mentioned, electric bicycles flatten terrains (so do wide gear ranges), and jackets neutralize climate. There seriously isn't anywhere that is inappropriate to cycle. The only major limiting factor for people feeling comfortable biking everywhere is the threat of violence due to people driving cars.

Without studded tires it’s very difficult to ride a bike on snow or ice.

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Post by WarmWash »

vannevar wrote: post #23

Every corporation is trying to spy on you. Why wouldn't they? There is no real punishment, and large reward. As long as that is true, superficial regulations around tracking will always be circumvented or hollowed out. We need fundamental change in the way corporations interact with society, and in what is expected of them.

Everyone saying everything other than "Consumers are going to need to be willing to spend more money for things, and people with less money are going to be hit the hardest as they benefit the most from the data economy."

Data has value is flatly true statement. So at best we can have system where you can keep your data and pay more, or sell your data and pay less. The rub here though is that the people who have the means to keep their data, also have the most valuable data, and in our current system subsidize the cost of people with less valuable data, who happen to be the people who would want the most to sell their data.

All of that is to say, the solution is not cut and dry.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

cferry wrote: post #124
jmward01 wrote: post #81

Hey major CEOs, if you think this is all so ok then please start publicly publishing your real-time driving/sensor data to your privacy policy pages as an example of what you collect.

Get ready to hear something along the lines of "Rules for thee but not for me"...

This was literally in the Palantir manifesto posted a couple months ago. Karp called for more surveillance of the general population, but also more privacy for the tech billionaires and government officials.

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Post by like_any_other »

Terr_ wrote: post #128
sfRattan wrote: post #12

With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road. Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred f…

> It's not enough even to have private cars. The solution must be legislation Regarding the importance of legislation versus "just don't buy those", I think this piece [0] seems relevant. To summarize the argument: 1. Consumer choices are never enough to really change things. It's a false promise, one the people making the decisions are happy to let you believe. 2. If you do believe that "voting with your wallet" wor…

To add to the argument:

5. Voting with your wallet hasn't worked so far. Why limit yourself to a tactic that is proven ineffective? Corporations don't limit themselves this way - they lobby and obfuscate and sometimes outright lie [1].

6. Regulation is how citizens organize. Corporations don't rely on employees just voluntarily doing what benefits the corporation - they fire them if they don't. "Vote with your wallet" means to throw away your rights and duties as a citizen, and retain only the meager powers of a consumer.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dr91z0g4zo

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