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Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

NiekvdMaas wrote: post #104

BYD DMCAd my whole repo to connect to their cars... https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2026/05/2026-05-2... It's a shame these car makers are locking down their cars (which are brought for a premium!) and going on a crusade against open source.

They alleging you have broken their encryption.. DMCA would be appropriate I would assume in this case. OTOH, if there isn't a first party way to get an auth token or a way to connect your car with home assistant, I see that as a deficiency of service.

r/opensource_legalaid let's reply and demand access to the data.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by chadgpt3 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #29
SuddsMcDuff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could equally illustrate the difference between long established multi national companies with an overbearing corporate culture vs young upstart companies with a dynamic startup culture.

The question is why doesn't Germany have any young upstart auto companies when the US and China do? The question being the rhetorical kind.

Extreme over-regulation/regulatory capture. If you do anything worth doing in Germany and one of the established players doesn't like it, they find some reason to arrest you or raid your company and shut it down. As a result, people are afraid of doing things unless there's an explicit government-approved path to doing that exact thing. You can open a restaurant because there's a process for opening restaurants, but if you want to do something off the beaten path, its a bad idea.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by bluGill »

connicpu wrote: post #127
bluGill wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you use android auto? For the normal person your phone is a better place to get all that anyway. The few people driving as a full time job will find the cars built in stuff better but for most your phone had everything the rest of the time so you want to use that.

Yes it also has android auto and carplay

I ask because my GM doesn't despite having android automotive. I have to give GM a don't buy unless you drive as a job because of this, even though the car is nice otherwise.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by Roark66 »

vincnetas wrote: post #89
vincnetas wrote: post #3

This comment has really nice translation of corpo-speek to human language : https://github.com/robinostlund/homeassistant-volkswagencarn... Why are they shooting them selves in the feet? Is this really a tangible income stream? Is it really increasing security?

By the way, regarding additional profit stream, to access VW data before you still needed WeConnect subscription (100€ a year), just that before you could use another app or automation to access the data. Now you MUST use exclusively WeConnect and partners to access same data even though you paying already for subscription.

And that is why I'll not be buying a vw ever again despite being a fan of the brand so far.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by mschuster91 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #132
mschuster91 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> German auto makers were wealthier than the US auto makers. Germany's GDP is now third in the world. There is capital. The problem is, that capital is stuck in the bank accounts of the uber rich. > But they wanted it to be spent on Russian gas pipelines, foreign aid, anti nuclear activism, and in the pockets of politically connected multinationals like T-systems to build another "government digitalization project" w…

>- Germany has drastically cut back on foreign aid funding, which in return killed off a lot of the goodwill Germany enjoyed in the Global South, we all know that China and Russia filled the gap. Germany now surpassed the US as the biggest foreign aid spender in the world, in absolute terms, not per capita

> Germany now surpassed the US as the biggest foreign aid spender in the world, in absolute terms, not per capita

A lot of the foreign aid budget is going to Ukraine [1], and the sum that goes to Ukraine isn't even including military aid.

Note, I have zero issue with aid going to Ukraine, and in fact it's still not enough - the issue I have is that a lot of other places simply fall through the gaps.

[1] https://de.statista.com/infografik/25614/groesste-empfaenger...

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by looperhacks »

joe_mamba wrote: post #131
mschuster91 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was under impression that absolute majority of startups in US are fully funded by a (private) venture capital. Tesla got a shitload of government funding, including a 465 million dollar loan [1]. SpaceX was effectively funded by NASA in its early days. In total, the Muskverse alone got 38 billion dollars [2]. Bezos' Blue Origin got at least 1.5 billion dollars [3]. Sure, by number most startups are fully privatel…

>Tesla got a shitload of government funding, including a 465 million dollar loan How much money, grants, tax-breaks, favorable loans and regulation, etc did the German, French, Italian car companies get from their local governments? > But that doesn't mean the US government isn't willing to help things along, at least for those well connected. As if Schroeder, Merkel, Scholz, etc didn't roll over backwards for their…

They didn't claim that Germany doesn't give money to companies. The claim was that Germany doesn't want to give money to start-ups.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by cisophrene »

b3lvedere wrote: post #137
cisophrene wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually happened with Toyota around 2010: they went into a settlement regarding an unintended acceleration issue because it was proven the code was terrible and a single bit-flip could cause the behaviour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932011_Toyota_vehic...

Very interesting read. Thank you for the link.

Another interesting case: a proven case of bit-flip that affected a voting machine in Belgium: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/subatomic-particl...

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

SuddsMcDuff wrote: post #8
holoduke wrote: post #4

I recently saw a group of automakers together during an event. The contrast between Chinese and Germans was bizare. The group of german automakers were older men in black suits all wearing badge with titles like Senior Executive Sales blablabla. Whereas the Chinese were all young people wearing causual clothing and much more engineering minded. No wonder why european auto makers are doing so badly. They forgot to ple…

This could equally illustrate the difference between long established multi national companies with an overbearing corporate culture vs young upstart companies with a dynamic startup culture.

I think you two are talking about the same thing. The overbearing corporate culture is the cause of valuing dress formality over performance and dynamicism.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by Roark66 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #121
joe_mamba wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Access to capital, mostly. German auto makers were wealthier than the US auto makers. Germany's GDP is now third in the world. There is capital. >Germans don't want taxpayer money to be spent on risky adventures But they wanted it to be spent on Russian gas pipelines, foreign aid, anti nuclear activism, and in the pockets of politically connected multinationals like T-systems to build another "government digitalizat…

> German auto makers were wealthier than the US auto makers. Germany's GDP is now third in the world. There is capital. The problem is, that capital is stuck in the bank accounts of the uber rich. > But they wanted it to be spent on Russian gas pipelines, foreign aid, anti nuclear activism, and in the pockets of politically connected multinationals like T-systems to build another "government digitalization project" w…

>Nordstream was privately funded, half by Gazprom, half by a consortium of privately owned large utilities

And do you also believe what Merkel said that "it's purely a commercial venture"?

Who chairs those "privately owned large utilities"?

What are the links between those people and "the establishment" that includes people like Merkel (earlier Shroeder - his work for Gazprom was also purely commercial venture of a private citizen, right?).

That establishment deciding its a great opportunity for Germany to be the Russian gas station of rest of Europe forced to use that gas as the only "green transition" hydrocarbon.

And not only was it a great commercial venture (that had in its profitability calculation getting rid of nuclear - including blocking countries like Poland from building it, squeezing out other countries that own pipelines again such as Poland/Ukraine/Hungary and so on and forced "transition" to gas for the EU - let's not kid ourselves, renewables will never be more than 50% of base load unless battery tech gets cheaper, so that "transition fuel" would last for 50+ years.

It also contained a humanitarian element of giving Putin huge amount of money therefore making sure the dictator will absolutely not use it to build armies to invade his neighbours (despite doing that already at the time in Georgia for example), but he will get used to that money so much he will spend it all and will not want to stop it coming therefore granting eternal peace in Europe.

Anyone who thought the public will swallow this must have been high... But the Germans did.

"nothing to see here" - right?

I for one am glad hopefully the German public realises what kind of state Russia is now, and what "doing business" with them leads to (it corrupts your own country) , but how long that knowledge remains, and why it took a full scale war in Europe to acquire it I don't know.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

neya wrote: post #39
charcircuit wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because the Nsdap party created something that doesn't mean you can automatically treat it is bad. That is prejudice. Something bad happening decades and decades after the party's dissolution is not going to be directly related. It is a reach to think unsupported third party apps breaking is related.

While I agree with you in principle, I don't think this is followed equally. Tesla's are still being vandalized to date, though. Selective outrage is a dangerous thing.

> While I agree with you in principle, I don't think this is followed equally. Tesla's are still being vandalized to date, though.

These two sentences seem to be completely unrelated.

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