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The Current Crisis: What's Happening to Science in America

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Re: The Current Crisis: What's Happening to Science in America

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There are plenty of links in the article to support specific statements, you can just skip over the parts where he expresses frustration at the damage to an incredible asset the US has built over many years, and the long term consequences this will have for the US and for the world.

It’s a pity he can’t be as measured and scientific in his communication as the current US administration, but we can’t all aspire to that level of technocratic excellence.

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What goes on is partisan situation - and the words article used to describe administration are factually correct descriptions of reality. They are not empty insults, but simply truth.

The ideology of "dont tell truth about conservatives, because it makes them look bad" is how they got empowered.

Re: The Current Crisis: What's Happening to Science in America

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> the US has been responsible for a huge amount of the basic research that we've been building the whole scientific enterprise on. We're now engaged in tearing all of that down, and it's a crime against this nation, against its people, and against the rest of the human race - an unforgivable one.

Absolutely Right!

Looking at it from outside the US, nothing makes sense except for two possibilities;

1) A vested group (local+foreign engineered) in the US is bent on destroying everything that made the US a scientific/technological powerhouse. The effects will only be known many years in the future when it will be too late to do anything about it.

2) A complete buy-in into AI/AGI possibilities and hence a belief that you don't need human collaborations across the globe. This is a very iffy premise with a low probability.

Science has many other challenges and if you put everything together, the future does look uncertain. Some links;

Papers and patents are becoming less disruptive over time - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34248858

MIT president: Why so many optimistic scientists are losing heart - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48304379

New research shows scientific innovation narrows as scientists age - https://datascience.uchicago.edu/insights/new-research-shows...

Re: The Current Crisis: What's Happening to Science in America

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Yeah, this read more like a long twitter rant than anything I'd expect to find on science.org. With posts like these, I always wonder what the intent is? I'm an outsider, so to convince me of anything you'd have to give more context to your claims (linking to a few publications and using their titles as a priori fact isn't convincing). If you want to convince someone who has enough context to understand each claim, wouldn't their opinions already be too entrenched to sway from a post like this?
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