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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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It's time to let people choose their own algorithm and force upon the platforms a marketplace for algorithms.

There needs to be regulation so algorithms are turned off by DEFAULT for every user - with the option to turn on for those that want a dose of brainrot

Do you browse HN only with https://news.ycombinator.com/newest ? Or is the HN algorithm kosher in a way other algorithms aren't?

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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There needs to be regulation so algorithms are turned off by DEFAULT for every user - with the option to turn on for those that want a dose of brainrot

Do you browse HN only with https://news.ycombinator.com/newest ? Or is the HN algorithm kosher in a way other algorithms aren't?

HN's algorithm is in fact kosher, because it's not personalized. On HN, arguing with people on topic X will not make you get shown even more articles on topic X to keep you engaged. Reddit-like platforms are similarly okay (you personalize your experience by subscribing) and short video platforms like Tiktok are the great evil.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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It's time to let people choose their own algorithm and force upon the platforms a marketplace for algorithms.

This is a case of psychological exploitation - in a free market of algorithms the current dominant flavor on platforms would win for the majority of people. As unpopular as it may be in this forum the real solution here is government regulation as we need to work as a society to protect our brains from these exploits.

"Winning" in this context doesn't matter because people have the freedom to choose which algorithms they want to use.

Like in the same way that windows has "won" in that it has 99% of desktop market share yet I can still use Linux happily.

I don't want government regulation here for the same reason I don't want the gov to step in and tell Linux what regulations it has to follow

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Is she otherwise intelligent reasonably? I just can’t wrap my head around anyone consuming content like this.

She is reasonably intelligent. Not necessarily intellectually inclined but not stupid by any means. And I'm with you, I can't wrap my head around it either. To be fair I didn't really get her choice of movies before AI (superhero flicks, hallmark type movies, 200 watches of "Twilight" etc). I think to her it's just sort of "turn off your brain comfortable background noise" from inquiries. I'm different and when I wat…

I believe some people have Fox News on constantly? In Russia it is the state TV’s 24/7 propaganda that some people have on the background, or so I heard. That is how propaganda works, it becomes the background of information colouring everything even if you don’t believe it.

I don’t mean that what she and many others watch is propaganda, but I do think it affects one over the time same as hearing every day that Ukrainians are all Nazi’s etc. That might be why young people are smashing their faces with hammers and using shitload of steroids etc. Perhaps we shpuld be as careful of what media we consume as we are of what we eat and drink.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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That video isn't helping your case. That's not to say you can't make effortful novel content using AI, but this is just lazy hollow stimulation. Like all the laziest of AMVs, nothing to say outside of "isn't this cool?". We want to see the person underneath and what ideas they explore through the medium - AI is just a fancy new tool of the times. Who cares what brush or canvas Vincent used to make Starry Night? Witho…

I don't have to convince the lot of you anti-tech "yelling at cloud" engineers. Social media already shows people love this stuff. It's only the 1% of terminally online whiners that have to project their take on it. And I've worked with enough artists that kick ass with these tools to know this is the new normal.

Hype for the tool is, and forever will be, cringy. People are too busy praising the fact that it exists that they miss what artists are doing with it. I like the fun skits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Rx5DqTvA and interesting projects https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1pt19u6/ti...

People on social media follow creators who make novel content irrespective of how they made it.

AI generated content will always be lower quality because the entry level is literacy, hence YouTube intervention with their "it's probably not worth your time" label.

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Trying to “level the playing field” is antithetical to what art is. Art is about self-expression and communication. If we viewed art as some sort of competition or race, then someone using neural–network-based generative tools could avoid losing the race; however, everybody would be participating in some sport A and the person using ML participates in a completely different sport B. Everyone is running, but one perso…

I agree. Art isn't a playing field!

If you mean kids playground it is, you get to imagine anything you want andmaybe other human beings join you imagining and then you get to have fun. Sometimes ot doesn’t quite work and it is not so fun. Imagine one day one of the dads coming with a robot and saying the kids that instead of you playing you vcan tell this robot what to play and it will play for you. No needto get all tired and muddy.

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Synthid and the like survive compression and decent quality rerecording.

Synthid is a watermark which indicates the video is AI-generated, not a digital signature indicating it's real. Completely different use case and threat model. I'm not aware of any secure digital signature schemes that don't require the thing they signed to be bit-for-bit identical to pass verification. There are perceptual hashing algorithms that could theoretically be used to build such a scheme, but such hashes ar…

I'm not even sure what you're hypothetically describing here. You want a system that authenticates that an image hasn't been manipulated, but which still allows you to compress and transcode it? It's feasible in the same way that synthid was feasible, but I don't think there's actually a use case for it. You either want it to be unedited or you don't. I'm not sure how you can say "edited, but only exactly this much editing is allowed."

I suppose the validator could do a fuzzy match and just output a similarity score that compares the result to the original image. IE - This image is 75% similar to the original with something like a perceptual hash. Then it's the users problem to decide if 75% is close enough for their trust.

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The process designed to optimize for attracting our attention has done what it was designed to do: optimized for attracting our attention, at the cost of all other incentives. The image of a throbbing, mutating, dark spiral is conjured in my mind. The more it is watched, the more it begins to grow into a twisted visage of the viewer as it attempts to recreate all of their desires and fears within itself. It is meanin…

It's time to let people choose their own algorithm and force upon the platforms a marketplace for algorithms.

Maybe just ban algorithmic recommendations? And advertising too for good measure...

More seriously, the more I think about this issue, the less I believe it can be fixed by technical solutions.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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There are so many of these stories… it makes me wonder if humans in general have “general intelligence” either. Or whether it’s only a small subset who do.

What people do is not well correlated with what they know. You can't reduce people to their behavior. You can reduce machines to their behavior. If you disagree, I would strongly suggest you review where else you might be making this incorrect assumption.

If you don’t assess people based on their actions… then how do you assess them?

From my experience actions are easily worth thousands of times more than any other criteria.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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> the disclosures were all the way at the bottom of the video description

Anyone can write anything, it doesn't make it true. Eg, I can say: "ai wrote this comment". Or I can say: "ai did not write this comment". Looking at the comments alone does not tell you whether they were or were not written by ai. Same for videos. What is going on is that you are trusting the disclosure is significant and real. So, when you see the disclosure you are concluding something on the basis of TRUST . Same…

As a large language model, I did not write this comment
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