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US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by gchamonlive »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #54
stymaar wrote: post #49

For the past year and a half, the US administration have plunged the country in a rule of law twilight zone: the rule of law still exists, and there are still independent jurisdictions to enforce it, but the administration decided they didn't care, and they just overcome any court dismissal of their orders with a new illegal order that courts will have to push back a few month later. Which means that, in practice, th…

The future of the US depends on these people being held accountable by the next administration, and structural reforms to make their abuses harder to do again in the future.

Great incentive for a president to do whatever he pleases then just attempt a coup.

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by monooso »

mrits wrote: post #55
mostlysimilar wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future of the US depends on these people being held accountable by the next administration, and structural reforms to make their abuses harder to do again in the future.

Being held accountable in the next administration is pretty much the opposite of what a democratic society needs. It's a never ending cycle. Let the court system handle this.

Not GP, but in this context I would interpret the next administration[^1] holding the current administration to account as a willingness to use the court system to prosecute actual crimes committed while in office[^2].

That is by no means a given.

[^1]: Assuming there is one.

[^2]: That is, not petulantly prosecuting those deemed to have slighted you.

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by b112 »

mrits wrote: post #55
mostlysimilar wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future of the US depends on these people being held accountable by the next administration, and structural reforms to make their abuses harder to do again in the future.

Being held accountable in the next administration is pretty much the opposite of what a democratic society needs. It's a never ending cycle. Let the court system handle this.

The problem is, the current admin has shown how pliable the courts are. And, this weakens them, in that, there is less of a belief of impartiality.

Conjoin that with AI able to generate billions of videos, saying anything anyone wants, and you have a real issue. 99.99% of the population can't tell or even realises much of what they watch on youtube is AI, and... it will get less distinguishable, to the point that no one, at all, will be able to tell.

Not you, I, or anyone at all.

There are already endless AI personalities on youtube, each building followers. If I wanted to upset the apple cart, I'd spawn 1000 or more "people", each with a different appearance and manner of speaking. All would dance to my tune, and all would be the most honest, trustworthy source possible.

Until, of course, I wanted to upset the apple cart. Then I'd ensure that all these personalities, insisted that all the court decisions post-office, are lies, mistruths, and designed to punish and harm and "take out the right's power".

Imagine if you have someone you've watched for 2 years. On hundreds of points, they've been blisteringly honest, never lying, always truthful. Then?

On this one thing, they manipulate you.

Who do you trust? The most honest person you've ever seen, or the impartiality of the courts?

This is the sort of long game you can play with fake personalities. No disloyalty. No breaking ranks. No bad days, or mistakes.

I've fought for a free internet. I've fought for the right to anonymous posting. To be a voice, without an identity. But? That time is over, or we won't have a democracy. I've pivoted 180, I cannot see a democratic society with this level of manipulation continuing.

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by gchamonlive »

stymaar wrote: post #49

For the past year and a half, the US administration have plunged the country in a rule of law twilight zone: the rule of law still exists, and there are still independent jurisdictions to enforce it, but the administration decided they didn't care, and they just overcome any court dismissal of their orders with a new illegal order that courts will have to push back a few month later. Which means that, in practice, th…

Bernie Sanders warned right when the second Trump admin started that the country was effectively an olygarchy https://youtu.be/79KDKWEOJ1s. I wrote https://xd1.dev/2025/09/not-buying-american-anymore that made frontpage here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45277346 discussing the consequences of an irresponsible admin through the lenses of consumer rights. It's nice that now we are seeing more widespread acceptance of the fact that US isn't behaving like a democracy anymore, even though it's a bit too little too late

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by s0a »

there is not yet a single approach to quantum computing that is provably scalable. so called experts may quibble, the uninformed (or financially aligned) will bloviate, bluster, and talking point us to death. but it's sadly just true. we're closer to useful fusion power than useful QC.

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by dylan604 »

monooso wrote: post #62
mrits wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being held accountable in the next administration is pretty much the opposite of what a democratic society needs. It's a never ending cycle. Let the court system handle this.

Not GP, but in this context I would interpret the next administration[^1] holding the current administration to account as a willingness to use the court system to prosecute actual crimes committed while in office[^2]. That is by no means a given. [^1]: Assuming there is one. [^2]: That is, not petulantly prosecuting those deemed to have slighted you.

SCOTUS has already given POTUS immunity in any form other than impeachment followed by a conviction. The problem with that is that just removes POTUS from office. It does nothing to punish for those crimes that were deemed worthy enough of being impeached/convicted. SCOTUS said that POTUS cannot be held accountable for things done as official acts of office. So Congress cannot hold POTUS criminally accountable, but removed from office to stop the criminal acts. Once POTUS becomes a citizen they are free. At this point, I can only see where the newly sworn POTUS would use their new pardon power to end the question as well.

However, all of this is very far away from the legality of quantum computing

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by dylan604 »

ecshafer wrote: post #52
mounceyboy wrote: post #34

my favorite conspiracy theory - the govt has already cracked all the RSA codes but they keep funding QM to show that we're still secure.

I read once that if we really wanted to be secure, we would have a crypto library that was open source, AND all changes needed to be signed off by more than one of NSA, Mossad, FSB, China's agency, etc. This way if there is a bug they find, any agency has to assume other agencies have also found the bug.

That's so good it'll happen the third day after never. Neat idea though

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by RHSeeger »

mrits wrote: post #55
mostlysimilar wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The future of the US depends on these people being held accountable by the next administration, and structural reforms to make their abuses harder to do again in the future.

Being held accountable in the next administration is pretty much the opposite of what a democratic society needs. It's a never ending cycle. Let the court system handle this.

The courts are either ignoring the problem, supporting the problem, or just being ignored. They courts themselves have no power to enforce their rulings. The ones that would enforce the courts decisions are doing what the Trump tells them to.

Re: US's big bet on quantum computing may not be legal

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Post by 4ashga »

123k2a wrote: post #19

Trump Jr. is one of the government money recipients via 1789 capital (which had already profited from the groq insider sale last year): https://www.startribune.com/donald-trump-quantum-computing-i...

Downvoting and flagging facts? Here is another one:

Trump Jr just married the daughter of an Epstein banker.

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