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New York passes pied-a-terre tax

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Re: New York passes pied-a-terre tax

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On unoccupied or secondary residences specifically, not on wealth overall. This is more of a housing policy?

It's a revenue policy. It's effectively a wealth tax, cleverly implemented largely within the existing tax regime.

Ken Griffin spend 183 days a year in Florida, so he pays no NY state or NYC income tax. He does pay ~1.8% income tax on his $238 million home though. Now he will pay significantly more. (His property is also assessed at a far lower number.)

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> While the tax seems large, experts say the city’s antiquated assessment and valuation system dramatically undervalues properties, reducing the burden. City valuations can often be 10% or less of the true market value, they said. I heard about a system for this that struck me as brilliant. Make someone declare the value of their property. Then the government has the choice of taxing them at the scheduled rate, or bu…

What happens after the city buys it?

Also, most municipalities do not have the funds on hand to buy up people's houses just to call their bluff on taxes.

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Property tax is the workable wealth tax. There's no such thing as a perfect policy, but in the context of NYC this seems worth trying. I'll be interested to see if it helps create some liquidity in the housing market (the goal), or if it only functions as revenue source. One wrinkle I haven't heard much discussion of -- cities respond to incentives too. NYC is a global destination for the mega wealthy. If it turns ou…

> If it turns out the uber-rich don't mind paying and this becomes a cash cow for the city, that creates incentives for the city to cater to them and try and get more uber-rich people to have second homes in the city. The tax is reasonably small enough that I wouldn't expect a lot of wealthy people from divesting from their properties, but it's probably going to make them think twice about buying new properties. That…

Land value taxes don't discourage desirable behavior when raised.

Property taxes might discourage construction but if land values are high enough then property taxes approximate land value taxes.

Raising income tax on the other hand discourages working even when it is set very low. This is one which ought to be lowered if anything.

tl;dr it doesnt work the same way for every tax.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It affects wealth, but the owner can also sell the property to someone who'll live in it and then they won't be taxed despite owning expensive property. So it's more targeted than a general wealth tax would be and I think the intent is to free up housing supply a bit.

Or they can move to NY "full time", if I'm understanding correctly, which will likely also improve the city's tax revenue from more of that person's expenses incurring city taxes.

Not just on their expenses - if they become resident in NYC, they'll own 4% NYC income tax (on top of the 10% NY state income tax).

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This is fantastic news for the Miami real estate market. Does anybody has stats as to how many homes this would actually affect?

Boston hasn't seen the doomers' hypothesized capital flight from their wealth tax. The opposite, in fact.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2026/05/25/metro/millionaires-ta...

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> New York City’s new tax on second homes will more than double property taxes owed by many wealthy luxury apartment owners, according to tax experts. > State lawmakers on Wednesday passed the tax on nonprimary residences in order to help close the city’s budget gap. The so-called pied-a-terre tax will be imposed on second homes valued at $1 million or more. It’s expected to raise $500 million in revenue. > Details o…

Well, you need to read the rest too: "While the tax seems large, experts say the city’s antiquated assessment and valuation system dramatically undervalues properties, reducing the burden. City valuations can often be 10% or less of the true market value, they said." It also mentions they plan to adjust property valuations in coming years, and when the valuations go up the rates will go down: "After the valuation adj…

Taxes has no income tax. NYC plus ny state has income tax at close to 10%.

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Actual title from the article: > New York passes Mamdani’s pied-a-terre tax. Here’s who pays and how much (The submitted title at time of commenting is "New York Passes Tax on the Ultra-Wealthy) It's a tax on second homes. If you thought it was a wealth tax from the editorialized title, like I did, that's not correct.

Tax on wealthy vs. wealth tax.

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Property tax is the workable wealth tax. There's no such thing as a perfect policy, but in the context of NYC this seems worth trying. I'll be interested to see if it helps create some liquidity in the housing market (the goal), or if it only functions as revenue source. One wrinkle I haven't heard much discussion of -- cities respond to incentives too. NYC is a global destination for the mega wealthy. If it turns ou…

The fairest and easiest to realize wealth tax is on inheritance. It is great to want to give your kids a headstart in the world, it is terrible for them and the people around them to set them up for life.

> wealth tax is on inheritance

As a point on terminology: That's not a really a wealth tax on the accumulated assets at-rest own by the (now eternally-resting) owner, but an income tax on the wealth as it moves to the recipients who didn't have it and are getting a massive gift.

It just happens to be a kind of gift/transfer we've decided because of tradition to consider as a special case, where (A) it happens right after a given dies and (B) the giver is frequently but not necessarily related to the recipient.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The elites always promise us trickle down economics, maybe this time it will happen. I wont hold my breath though.

I think this is sarcasm, but in case it's not isn't this the opposite of trickle down? Trickle down means lower taxes for the wealthy so they'll then have access to those extra funds to create jobs (through direct and indirect actions (investing in their companies, buying more stuff, etc.)). This is actually taking money away from the wealthy.

If this works (meaning NYC gets the revenue without kneecapping those extra property taxes in the long run because the wealthy bail on their second homes, which would drive down prices and therefore property taxes), it would be an anti-trickle-down win.

edit: grammar

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