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New York passes pied-a-terre tax

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The elites always promise us trickle down economics, maybe this time it will happen. I wont hold my breath though.

Trickle down economics is a political label to criticize Reagan era policies, it’s not an actual thing.

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I'm really curious about this. Wont, as a rule, any super-rich 2nd, 3rd, and 4th homes in New York be completely unaffordable for almost everyone? It feels a bit like you're potentially spreading around the super-luxury homes across a wider breadth of the super-rich, but not much else. Is there a better way to think about this?

This is really more about raising revenue for the city than increasing the housing supply.

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Miami? Have you checked home insurance rates lately? The thought of these NYC second home owners getting gutted by the next hurricane is rather amusing though.

The rich don't really care about insurance rates down here because they can a) pay them, b) tend to gravitate towards newer buildings that have better protection and c) have the money to retrofit older buildings with the necessary protection to lower insurance rates. Miami has the strictest hurricane codes in the country, so while there's a possibility that they may get gutted, it's probably going to be less than peo…

But the people who can easily afford the insurance in Florida can afford the new tax as well. And as an added bonus, they don't have to live in Florida!

But in all seriousness, they all already own homes in Florida.

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On unoccupied or secondary residences specifically, not on wealth overall. This is more of a housing policy?

It's a luxury tax that only affects people wealthy enough to have a second home in NYC. These people, by virtue of not living there, aren't paying income tax and thus don't contribute as much as someone who is.

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The elites always promise us trickle down economics, maybe this time it will happen. I wont hold my breath though.

> The elites always promise us trickle down economics, maybe this time it will happen. Are you under the impression that the wealthy keep their money in a savings account? They have more money than they can spend so they invest it, what do you think investment does?

> what do you think investment does?

Accrue more money pretty much indefinitely?

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> While the tax seems large, experts say the city’s antiquated assessment and valuation system dramatically undervalues properties, reducing the burden. City valuations can often be 10% or less of the true market value, they said.

I heard about a system for this that struck me as brilliant. Make someone declare the value of their property. Then the government has the choice of taxing them at the scheduled rate, or buying the property from them, for that cost.

TADA.

And if someone wants to artificially inflate the value of their home, to reflect the difficulty of moving out, finding a new secondary residence, etc, then that's their business. No worries. We'll tax that additional value, no problem.

I think this system goes back thousands of years. Why not use it?

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The elites always promise us trickle down economics, maybe this time it will happen. I wont hold my breath though.

> The elites always promise us trickle down economics, maybe this time it will happen. Are you under the impression that the wealthy keep their money in a savings account? They have more money than they can spend so they invest it, what do you think investment does?

Push up asset prices mainly - so locking poorer people out of (e.g.) home ownership.

Money is not a tangible thing, you can't eat or drink it. Instead it is a signalling protocol for resource allocation. If the very wealthy have many empty homes, when many people are homeless or inadequately housed, then that signalling protocol has failed (from a social justice point of view), and 'trickle down' is not working.

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Property tax is the workable wealth tax. There's no such thing as a perfect policy, but in the context of NYC this seems worth trying. I'll be interested to see if it helps create some liquidity in the housing market (the goal), or if it only functions as revenue source. One wrinkle I haven't heard much discussion of -- cities respond to incentives too. NYC is a global destination for the mega wealthy. If it turns ou…

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You sound like you feel the need to criticize this tax because you want to reflexively attack any idea whereby the rich have to pay their fair share of anything, and thus have strung together a bunch of tokens that seem relevant to you, but actually don't constitute a logical response at all to the issue being discussed.

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If you want to tax the ultra-wealthy, prevent Securities-Based Loan (SBL) or a Securities-Based Line of Credit (SBLOC). Honestly this is how EVERY SINGLE wealthy person gets around paying taxes.

Stocks should be bought and sold, period the end. That is how the market is supported to work.

If you closed this simple loophole, you would see a massive amount of tax revenue.

Re: New York passes pied-a-terre tax

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Property tax is the workable wealth tax. There's no such thing as a perfect policy, but in the context of NYC this seems worth trying. I'll be interested to see if it helps create some liquidity in the housing market (the goal), or if it only functions as revenue source. One wrinkle I haven't heard much discussion of -- cities respond to incentives too. NYC is a global destination for the mega wealthy. If it turns ou…

The fairest and easiest to realize wealth tax is on inheritance. It is great to want to give your kids a headstart in the world, it is terrible for them and the people around them to set them up for life.
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