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AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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AMD business should be selling FPGA hardware. The software suite should come for free. If it doesn't then people should not purchase AMD FPGAs.

It is absurd that in 2026 you have to pay for such tools. It feels like buying a propietary compiler in 80's or 90's.

No one wants that anymore.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#112

AMD business should be selling FPGA hardware. The software suite should come for free. If it doesn't then people should not purchase AMD FPGAs. It is absurd that in 2026 you have to pay for such tools. It feels like buying a propietary compiler in 80's or 90's. No one wants that anymore.

Not to mention, the software is horrendous to use

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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post #94

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What is really interesting about Linux users is that they cost an enormous amount in support. I think it was a dev of the reboot of Planetary Annihilation that said their Linux users / build made up a few percent of the sales but over 90 percent of all support tickets (!). Mind you that this was before Valve's Proton. Edit: It was https://xcancel.com/bgolus/status/1080213166116597760

If those bugs are only present in the Linux port, then yeah, Linux users cost more to support. But if a significant amount of these bugs affect all platforms, then you could argue that a Linux user is much more valuable to them than a non-Linux user because they provide better feedback. Assuming they actually care about fixing their product.

yes, this. i don't know if it was the same game another another where the devs said that while linux users send the most bug reports they are also the most grateful about having a game that runs on linux, and all their reports genuinely helped make the game better for everyone. (wildly paraphrased from faint memory)

in other words, if you want your game tested and get good feedback for it, do release on linux. maybe even release on linux first. linux users will love you for it, and you get to release a more polished game for a wider audience on windows.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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Given how many idiotic ideas are ‘patched’ or worked around in software, it’s probably pretty easy. Especially in the world of modern GPUs when only a handful of people at the factory are able to write drivers for it. Hardware vendors lost the plot in the Winmodem era.

Winmodems are a very sensible idea. You know software-defined radio? They are that, but for modems. Expandable to support any current or future protocol, at the cost of CPU time. Why do we like SDRs but hate SDMs? That's an irrational position. The actual problem with winmodems was them breaking the established software/hardware boundary, and the Linux community not having the resources to follow suit. Nothing stops…

> Nothing stops someone from taking the free Windows Vivado and making it run on Linux

The EULA and the fact that the linux versior runs faster & has fewer bugs.

> just the device-dependent backend would be a major improvement and the frontend and optimizer could be shared with other toolchains

That's yosys and it's used by smaller commercial vendors.

> or reverse engineering then bitstream format for these FPGAs

Getting the timing is the hard part (+ good routing afterwards). The bitstream format has AFAIK mostly been reversed. 7 series has mediocre support , but US, US+ and Versal doesn't (probably because they're too expensive for personal usage).

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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post #86

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Hardware isn’t where the margins are, and probably is somewhat of a loss leader for small-batch users; for hobby users I would hazard a guess that they’re running at around -10% profit on small sales to try and drive subscription revenue multipliers, and for already-paying users this change is essentially irrelevant and will have zero downside impact on sub revenue. Terrible way to run a profitable business if you fu…

> Hardware isn’t where the margins are Baseless speculation > probably is somewhat of a loss leader for small-batch users Wrong. AMD/Xilinx doesn't sell devices directly to customers, they sell them to distributors in huge quantities. Those distributors then sell them to "small-batch users", and they're not involved with AMD/Xilinx free-tier software at all. > they’re running at around -10% profit on small sales to t…

> More baseless speculation

Your elided quote removes the five words where I declared my views as speculation openly and in plain language. The complete sentence that you misquoted opens with that:

> I would hazard a guess

I’m perfectly content to be wrong at HN; it’s a forum where we all have opinions and people rarely restrict themselves to exclusively their own expert subjects, or else we’d all never learn anything! So I will be considering the arguments made here by others before engaging with this topic in the future.

Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48256417 from a few days ago apparently makes some of my points much more clearly, or at least with less hostile replies. I wish I’d found it sooner, but I didn’t realize this entire post was a dupe in time to go back through its comments in detail. Would have saved me commenting at all! Ah well.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

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AMD has long been the proof that hardware is easier than software. Apparently, hardware is also easier than marketing.

I wish more software engineers found out how easy hardware actually is.

is there any hope for someone to become a professional in the field without an electronic/computer engineering degree? I'd love to do stuff that I can actually hold in my hand (did some reverse engineering for a usb sound card and it felt rewarding cause I could quite literally hear the success), but I only have a computer science adjacent degree (BBa in Business Information Technology).

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#118

AMD business should be selling FPGA hardware. The software suite should come for free. If it doesn't then people should not purchase AMD FPGAs. It is absurd that in 2026 you have to pay for such tools. It feels like buying a propietary compiler in 80's or 90's. No one wants that anymore.

Well, at least they don't really try hard to protect their software, unlike some other brands.

Re: AMD pulls a bait-and-switch on Linux users with Vivado licensing changes

#120

AMD business should be selling FPGA hardware. The software suite should come for free. If it doesn't then people should not purchase AMD FPGAs. It is absurd that in 2026 you have to pay for such tools. It feels like buying a propietary compiler in 80's or 90's. No one wants that anymore.

Not to mention, the software is horrendous to use

Bloated and slow, but almost everything is automatable via TCL. A lot of the other profssional SW can only boast about being bloated and slow.

Once you learn how to get automation to work for you, it's not that bad.

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