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EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

#81
post #56

Isn't there some kind of law to disallow imports without a CE / RoHS / etc label? Why allow it to enter the EU, and then fine the seller afterwards?

Are you suggesting opening every package to check for a CE? I think fining after the fact is how those laws are enforced.

> Are you suggesting opening every package to check for a CE?

In the old days, when an importer purchased Chinese goods in bulk and resold them, import checks were commonplace.... AND the importer was legally responsible for paying import duties and selling goods to the public that were legal and met safety standards.

Now that any individual can order direct from China (with cheap subsidised postage!), the floodgates of untaxed and dangerous shite are open.

One solution is to address the subsidised postage that makes this state of affairs possible.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

#84
post #56

Isn't there some kind of law to disallow imports without a CE / RoHS / etc label? Why allow it to enter the EU, and then fine the seller afterwards?

They add fake labels, this has been happening for a long time

Yeah they have the CE mark, but it means "Chinese Export". You can recognize it by the C and E being closer together.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

#85
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting opening every package to check for a CE? I think fining after the fact is how those laws are enforced.

> Are you suggesting opening every package to check for a CE? In the old days, when an importer purchased Chinese goods in bulk and resold them, import checks were commonplace.... AND the importer was legally responsible for paying import duties and selling goods to the public that were legal and met safety standards. Now that any individual can order direct from China (with cheap subsidised postage!), the floodgates…

Require the recipient affirm the package meets all legal requirements, and personally assume liability for any violation.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

#86
post #55

I am very pro free market, but Temu with data harvesting and selling illegal projects should be banned together with tiktok...

If you're "pro free market, but", you're not pro free market. That's fine, but you might want to reevaluate whether you're actually for it.

Free markets can have strong rules. No other than Adam Smith said they are needed.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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post #77
post #56

Isn't there some kind of law to disallow imports without a CE / RoHS / etc label? Why allow it to enter the EU, and then fine the seller afterwards?

The fine is the application of the law. Would be like getting arrested and demanding to know why the authorities aren't getting involved.

I think the parent is questioning how the fine relates to removing the goods from circulation?

Or is the intention of the law to allow for an unlimited number of supposedly illegal goods to circulate freely within the EU, just fined appropriately?

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

#88
post #55

I am very pro free market, but Temu with data harvesting and selling illegal projects should be banned together with tiktok...

I’d start with the immense packaging waste and shameless overconsumption tricks that are banned in basically any other industry.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They add fake labels, this has been happening for a long time

Yeah they have the CE mark, but it means "Chinese Export". You can recognize it by the C and E being closer together.

There is no such thing as "Chinese Export".

https://cemarkingassociation.co.uk/latest-news/ce-marking-an...

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t Temu basically Aliexpress with some "new shiny" frontend? Not sure there is anything one couldn’t find on Amazon the exact same wares, though with the additional margin for a USA bigtech company in the middle.

Not really, Aliexpress is from Alibaba, who has been in the exporting business for many years. While Temu is from Pinduoduo, a competitor to Alibaba known for malicious business practices including exploiting an Android 0-day vulnerability [0]. [0]: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/andro... Edit: I should add that Pinduoduo also ended up being fined over $200 million after a couple fist fight wi…

So, like Aliexpress is considered more ethical at this point? Asking as I heard Aliexpress’ ware could sometime be produced forced labors from prison in the underlying retailers. Not that prisoners situation seems particularly fine across all EU and USA either.
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