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Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by tasuki »

Chinjut wrote: post #472
afro88 wrote: post #309

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Is the end goal to not work? Are we supposed to not enjoy what we work on? Do we not believe in what the company we work for is trying to achieve?

Many of us do not particularly enjoy the work our employer has us do, nor believe in what the company we work for is trying to achieve. It's not like we get to choose its aims, and it's not like we have alternatives where we get to do so either. Our lives are spent working on someone else's goals.

> and it's not like we have alternatives where we get to do so either.

You can and should choose your employers. Saying you have no alternatives is disingenious. It's possible (and often worth it) to trade a big salary for meaning.

My employer significantly underpays us compared to the market, we could be (and many had been) earning multiple times more elsewhere, and yet we're happy to work there: we get reimbursed by meaningful work in a relaxed atmosphere.

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by Taronar »

madrox wrote: post #65

The four day work week is a prisoner's dilemma. If everyone did it, then we'd all get a payoff, but if someone defects to a longer work week they tend to get ahead at work. Thus we all do it and thus we all lose. It's funny how underappreciated it is how the five day work week is powered by norms...at least in the US. People assume there are laws about it. The only laws dictate compensation past certain thresholds, a…

Cynical take because why arent we working 6 days a week then

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by bean469 »

madrox wrote: post #65

The four day work week is a prisoner's dilemma. If everyone did it, then we'd all get a payoff, but if someone defects to a longer work week they tend to get ahead at work. Thus we all do it and thus we all lose. It's funny how underappreciated it is how the five day work week is powered by norms...at least in the US. People assume there are laws about it. The only laws dictate compensation past certain thresholds, a…

> The four day work week is a prisoner's dilemma. If everyone did it, then we'd all get a payoff, but if someone defects to a longer work week they tend to get ahead at work.

If that is the case, then the same would apply to those who work overtime and on weekends.

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by munksbeer »

dannersy wrote: post #694
thunky wrote: post #688

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> I am okay with Alzheimer's not being cured if it means we are not bending over backwards to welcome a billionaire overlord class What a cold perspective. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It is cold for me to not want to concede everything to billionaires to cure a disease? You are short sighted, as I would argue the reverse is cold.

> It is cold for me to not want to concede everything to billionaires to cure a disease?

That's a fallacy. You're assuming we all agree that this is going to happen. I don't agree. And I think AI will drive a huge amount of innovation that is going to make almost everyones lives better.

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by bean469 »

madrox wrote: post #65

The four day work week is a prisoner's dilemma. If everyone did it, then we'd all get a payoff, but if someone defects to a longer work week they tend to get ahead at work. Thus we all do it and thus we all lose. It's funny how underappreciated it is how the five day work week is powered by norms...at least in the US. People assume there are laws about it. The only laws dictate compensation past certain thresholds, a…

> if someone defects to a longer work week they tend to get ahead at work. Thus we all do it and thus we all lose.

If that is the case, wouldn't the same would apply to those who work overtime and on weekends?

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by rickydroll »

wombatpm wrote: post #473
rickydroll wrote: post #385

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So you are saying that I shouldn't start my artisanal guillotine business? Believe me, I know what's on the ballot for the midterm in the state but it's not going to stop me from making dark snarky jokes.

Mass produced and pre-staged. Think zipcar for guillotines pre positioned in finance districts and rich neighborhoods.

That would make one hell of an art project.

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by Chinjut »

tasuki wrote: post #701
Chinjut wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of us do not particularly enjoy the work our employer has us do, nor believe in what the company we work for is trying to achieve. It's not like we get to choose its aims, and it's not like we have alternatives where we get to do so either. Our lives are spent working on someone else's goals.

> and it's not like we have alternatives where we get to do so either. You can and should choose your employers. Saying you have no alternatives is disingenious. It's possible (and often worth it) to trade a big salary for meaning. My employer significantly underpays us compared to the market, we could be (and many had been) earning multiple times more elsewhere, and yet we're happy to work there: we get reimbursed b…

That's fortunate for you that what you enjoy doing and get meaning from is capable of providing you a living via market income. That's not true of many others. I try to make time for what I enjoy doing and get meaning from. But for me as for many, it does not provide income.

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by GoodJokes »

therealpygon wrote: post #700
Tade0 wrote: post #645

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> And the funny thing is we developers did this to ourselves, by doing free open source work for the greater good, which now feeds AI models that are replacing many of us. Open source is not to blame here. AI companies used the code, in some cases against the license, to train their models. Nobody is actually getting replaced - it's just that layoffs are in vogue now. If there was productivity to gain here, it would…

“Nobody is actually getting replaced” is an interesting take given currently available information on force reductions, stated cause, and AI implementation increases across sectors replacing workloads and causing fewer employees to accomplish the same goals, regardless of any opinions on whether that is positive, negative, problematic, or anything else to the future since the impact is now. Could you point to some fa…

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Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by Aurornis »

tstrimple wrote: post #618
Aurornis wrote: post #552

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> Companies will literally pay you as little as they can get away with. Everyone pays as little for everything as they can get away with. Companies aren't doing anything unusual or evil. This is literally just how a market works. A lot of people forget that the job market is a market. Or they wish it wasn't a market and they could block out competition for themselves so companies had to pay them more (at the expense…

> Everyone pays as little for everything as they can get away with. Bullshit cop out. I regularly spend more than the “average” on technology because I’ve been burned by the bottom of the barrel too many times. Maybe you cheap out on all of your purchases, but it says nothing about “everyone”. The fact that you claim “everyone” has as few moral qualms as you is telling. But not in a way that reflects everyone. Just s…

> Bullshit cop out. I regularly spend more than the “average” on technology because I’ve been burned by the bottom of the barrel too many times.

You missed the part about equal service. Please read my whole comment, not just snap responses to the first line.

Obviously nobody is hiring the person who has the lowest salary demands and ignoring their qualifications.

Re: Can we have the day off?

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Post by Aurornis »

Timon3 wrote: post #675
Aurornis wrote: post #552

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> Companies will literally pay you as little as they can get away with. Everyone pays as little for everything as they can get away with. Companies aren't doing anything unusual or evil. This is literally just how a market works. A lot of people forget that the job market is a market. Or they wish it wasn't a market and they could block out competition for themselves so companies had to pay them more (at the expense…

This might be fair if the rules of the market were static, but companies are actively using their power and influence to affect the market rules so they can get away with paying workers less and less - that's not to mention collusion and corruption. Just because this has been normalized doesn't mean it's not evil. If a healthcare company introduces processes that deny people life-saving interventions just to funnel m…

> but companies are actively using their power and influence to affect the market rules so they can get away with paying workers less and less - that's not to mention collusion and corruption.

What do you mean? Labor is a market. Companies can’t force anyone to work for them. If the pay gets too low, people leave for other companies or jobs.

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