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I am not a black belt

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Re: I am not a black belt

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Having done multiple martial arts (Judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Filipino martial arts and, if you count it, fencing) I've come to the conclusion that Aikido is the Lisp of the martial arts world: - it's considered very beautiful - it takes a long time to become fluent in it - it "expands your mind" - in theory it can "work on the street" but in practice people reach for other tools

You are not the first person to make that connection: https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.00485

Re: I am not a black belt

#22
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came to reply with some form of this. Aikido demonstration is cooperative. Uke and nage. Somebody throws and somebody receives the throw. I'm not one of those "Aikido is fake" people, but Aikido has no tournaments and isn't represented in MMA for a reason. If you're in a real fight and properly distributing your weight, things you see in Aikido just don't happen. That's not shade on Aikido. It's a worthy effort for…

> Aikido demonstration is cooperative. Uke and nage. Somebody throws and somebody receives the throw. I'm not one of those "Aikido is fake" people, but Aikido has no tournaments and isn't represented in MMA for a reason. Judo and Jiu Jitsu have Uke and Tori for demonstrations. Same concept. Except when Uke gets thrown, they really get thrown. They will cooperate with the move but they aren’t providing the momentum. I…

Judo and Aikido founders were pals in the military. There is a handful of koshi nague throwing techniques that are identical in both schools, and are done without any of uke's momentum.

Re: I am not a black belt

#23
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came to reply with some form of this. Aikido demonstration is cooperative. Uke and nage. Somebody throws and somebody receives the throw. I'm not one of those "Aikido is fake" people, but Aikido has no tournaments and isn't represented in MMA for a reason. If you're in a real fight and properly distributing your weight, things you see in Aikido just don't happen. That's not shade on Aikido. It's a worthy effort for…

If you want a stand-up grappling martial art that hasn't lost most of its martial roots, just go with Judo (or one of the various wrestling variants).

Judo and Aikido founders were pals in the military. Those schools were all connected at the time and were complementary. What we see today is a kind of a "commercial struggle" between different schools and martial arts for $tudents. I practiced judo and BJJ as well throughout my life, and that wasn't an issue. I see that the ideal practice for anyone could be an MMA having the self-defense and the non-competitive healthy side of things. We don't see that mindset around.

Re: I am not a black belt

#24

Having done multiple martial arts (Judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Filipino martial arts and, if you count it, fencing) I've come to the conclusion that Aikido is the Lisp of the martial arts world: - it's considered very beautiful - it takes a long time to become fluent in it - it "expands your mind" - in theory it can "work on the street" but in practice people reach for other tools

I agree. And it gets better with age as you won't care too much if it works on the street or not; you'll have acquired better tools like firearms and good lawyers to defend yourself.

Re: I am not a black belt

#25
post #19

Regarding the title: Shodan black belts in most martial arts mean you can execute 80% of the techniques competently. After shodan you're supposed to perfect them and worry about stuff like when to use one technique and not another...

The title connects with my current stage in literary production as a complete white belt.

Re: I am not a black belt

#26

I watched that video a dozen times and I still don’t understand where the angular momentum came from. That guy must have been trying to throw himself, right??

Doing ukemi to save himself. This is just the first step of the practice. Uke (receiver) co-operates in a way that tori can practice the thing being taught. Only after that things start to change: uke changes something, tries to evade, resists etc. However, this phase is rarely shown in demonstrations. Even more rare if you see the step(s) after that.

Re: I am not a black belt

#28
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Aikido demonstration is cooperative. Uke and nage. Somebody throws and somebody receives the throw. I'm not one of those "Aikido is fake" people, but Aikido has no tournaments and isn't represented in MMA for a reason. Judo and Jiu Jitsu have Uke and Tori for demonstrations. Same concept. Except when Uke gets thrown, they really get thrown. They will cooperate with the move but they aren’t providing the momentum. I…

Judo and Aikido founders were pals in the military. There is a handful of koshi nague throwing techniques that are identical in both schools, and are done without any of uke's momentum.

Citation? They were contemporaries who knew of each other and apparently respected each other, including having students cross train across the test disciplines. I didn’t find anything saying they were military buddies.

Re: I am not a black belt

#29

I watched that video a dozen times and I still don’t understand where the angular momentum came from. That guy must have been trying to throw himself, right??

I don't know in this case. But I do know some of the moves are: "If you don't throw yourself, your wrist/elbow/shoulder/whatever will be dislocated or broken." And so the student, knowing this, saves themselves. IE the idea of rolling with the punches. Which is to say, some moves are to be judged on the possible result, not the one you saw. Whether that applies in this case, I don't know.

> If you don't throw yourself, your wrist/elbow/shoulder/whatever will be dislocated or broken."

Or, you know, you can just let go...

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