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I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by Schiendelman »

mschuster91 wrote: post #16
mingus88 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That weakness is a strength. Everyone you meet on a mesh is a real breathing nerd, who due to proximity has a lot in common with you. They are not trying to influence you or sell you anything How many places like that are left?

> Everyone you meet on a mesh is a real breathing nerd, who due to proximity has a lot in common with you. They are not trying to influence you or sell you anything I wish... the Hamburg Meshcore mesh has some dumbass spammer spamming far-right youtube videos in the public channel for example. And from what I hear, Meshtastic also has issues with this kind of idiots.

All unmoderated spaces have this problem. That's why the right wing grew so much on gaming forums, because they were extremely unmoderated.

A great video on the topic from a few years ago (How to Radicalize a Normie): https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g

Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by throwawaycan »

Groxx wrote: post #3

> To be perfectly upfront with you, this post will be glossing over many Meshtastic and MeshCore features, because I feel they are both non-serious solutions compared to Reticulum for reasons I will explain later on in this post. Yeah, that's the general feel I get every time I poke into Mesh*. Neat radio tech, fun toy to find other nearby nerds, instantly-obvious problems that are fatal to growing beyond being that…

On the mesh in Toronto with meshcore we have regular communication that reach all the way to Buffalo. We are past the « toy » stage, it’s truly impressive.

Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by bityard »

mschuster91 wrote: post #16
mingus88 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That weakness is a strength. Everyone you meet on a mesh is a real breathing nerd, who due to proximity has a lot in common with you. They are not trying to influence you or sell you anything How many places like that are left?

> Everyone you meet on a mesh is a real breathing nerd, who due to proximity has a lot in common with you. They are not trying to influence you or sell you anything I wish... the Hamburg Meshcore mesh has some dumbass spammer spamming far-right youtube videos in the public channel for example. And from what I hear, Meshtastic also has issues with this kind of idiots.

Start spamming far-left YouTube videos to the public channel at the same time, according to the general theory of nutball political physics the two should cancel each other out

Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by bergie »

ericrosedev wrote: post #8

After seeing the Gemini, Gophers, and Fingers post today https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48297467 I wonder if they would pair well with Reticulum

A lot of the "early internet" protocols would likely pair quite well, especially ones based on UDP.

However, Reticulum has its own active "small web" implementation with NomadNet and the Micron markup.

Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by bergie »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #5

In general I'm happy the longer range options are about, but I'd much rather see IP based ad-hoc communication. Wifi 802.11ah "halow" is such a more versatile structure than these limited networks. More of everything, of course! But I'm far more interested in making the wifi we have more ad-hoc capable, more useful anywhere any time, for whatever, especially on the longer range bands like 900MHz.

I think there are people playing with Halow with Reticulum. That's one advantage of having a multi-transport system. There is also a Bluetooth transport now: https://salemdata.net/johnpress/?p=720

Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by mikeweiss »

transcriptase wrote: post #15

Every time I get excited about one of these techs I end up finding it has approx the same range as a late 90s cordless phone unless you live on the Nevada salt flats, and a data rate that could probably be beat out by Morse code on a GMRS radio. Sadly I live in the opposite of that terrain with approx the same population density. Regardless I have a few LILYGO Meshtastic Esp32 boards that are neat to play around with…

Uhhhh ... No. You must have read that it uses the same frequency 900mhz, but did you actually try using it? When I first got on meshcore here NJ i immediately connected with my closest neighbor repeater 20 miles away which then in turn connected me to the local NJ/PA mesh which spans almost 200 miles wide. I don't recall any cordless telephone ever doing that...

Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by mikestorrent »

throwawaycan wrote: post #32
Groxx wrote: post #3

> To be perfectly upfront with you, this post will be glossing over many Meshtastic and MeshCore features, because I feel they are both non-serious solutions compared to Reticulum for reasons I will explain later on in this post. Yeah, that's the general feel I get every time I poke into Mesh*. Neat radio tech, fun toy to find other nearby nerds, instantly-obvious problems that are fatal to growing beyond being that…

On the mesh in Toronto with meshcore we have regular communication that reach all the way to Buffalo. We are past the « toy » stage, it’s truly impressive.

The Salish Mesh over here on the west coast also gets some pretty good range, though there are lots of holes in the network

Re: I'm Getting into Mesh Networks (Meshtastic, MeshCore, and Reticulum)

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Post by Groxx »

throwawaycan wrote: post #32
Groxx wrote: post #3

> To be perfectly upfront with you, this post will be glossing over many Meshtastic and MeshCore features, because I feel they are both non-serious solutions compared to Reticulum for reasons I will explain later on in this post. Yeah, that's the general feel I get every time I poke into Mesh*. Neat radio tech, fun toy to find other nearby nerds, instantly-obvious problems that are fatal to growing beyond being that…

On the mesh in Toronto with meshcore we have regular communication that reach all the way to Buffalo. We are past the « toy » stage, it’s truly impressive.

Meshcore seems a lot better thought out in that respect, yea. Flood routing is a very-well-known dead-end.
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