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Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by numpad0 »

floxy wrote: post #220
StableAlkyne wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People feel strongly about AI generated content; this is a case where false positives can destroy credibility and disrupt careers. "Works most of the time" isn't good enough here.

This isn't even at the level of the spam filter on your email account. Are there some false positives and negatives? Yes. Are there some people sending emails who are negatively affected by falsely ending up in the junk mail folder? Yes. Are we going to turn off spam filtering because of this? No. Why should we accept video spam any more than text spam?

The problem is that it's not SOME false positives, AI detectors so far have been all so comically bad that they might be classified as pseudoscience. Or an artificial false positive generators even.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by intrasight »

tredre3 wrote: post #41
luckylion wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

_before_? youtube is like the top 1000 creators / influencers / celebrities, 5% actual videos, and the rest is slop of various types for me. The search is entirely gone and will straight up not list regular content that was made by humans, but it will absolutely surface the cheap AI-voices that can't say HVAC fluently. Makes sense for youtube, too. For the average person, that seems to be enough, the ads are the same…

If you only visit youtube.com logged out in a private window, obviously it's going to show you what's the most popular. What else should it be doing? Personally I never see those top 1000 creators / influencers / celebrities. If anything I find the recommendation algorithm too tuned to my topics of interest so it rarely surfaces new things. Agreed on the search being less than useless, though.

I don't only get to YouTube.com from a Google search and that on a browser that I'm not logged into - so it only shows me things that I searched for.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by poszlem »

nixass wrote: post #190
ellrob88 wrote: post #139

Curious to see if this will apply to music. YouTube seems to be filled with AI music these days - just do a search for "focus music" or the like, and you'll see creators pushing new 1-hr tracks every few days with no mention of where the music came from or the fact it is AI generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots).

> People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser Or.. they simply like it? Regardless of what we think about it

I think the op mean people writing stuff like: "Amazing what a human soul can create", "This is such a beautiful song. I'm so happy it's not another AI slop" type of comments. I have a fairly popular youtube channel with AI generated music, I make it very obvious that it's AI, yet I still get hundreds of those comments a month.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by pardon_me »

beloch wrote: post #157
nickvec wrote: post #133

I have a hard time believing that AI can be used to label AI-generated videos without there being a significant number of false positives/negatives. I think back to ZeroGPT and it labeling the Declaration of Independence as AI-generated.

There's a reason why they led with simply labeling author self-reported AI videos as AI, and then casually mentioned they'll also try to detect AI videos automatically. They're not confident in it working reliably and want people to have low expectations. This is probably realistic. Using AI to detect AI is not reliable. Detecting AI videos is likely to become an arms race and will require an ongoing commitment of re…

They make a bunch of money off the videos, same as uploaded copyright material (before eventually taking them down).

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by andai »

ellrob88 wrote: post #139

Curious to see if this will apply to music. YouTube seems to be filled with AI music these days - just do a search for "focus music" or the like, and you'll see creators pushing new 1-hr tracks every few days with no mention of where the music came from or the fact it is AI generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots).

You can tell when a song is not AI generated these days because people put "no AI" in the title.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by intrasight »

observationist wrote: post #191
nickvec wrote: post #133

I have a hard time believing that AI can be used to label AI-generated videos without there being a significant number of false positives/negatives. I think back to ZeroGPT and it labeling the Declaration of Independence as AI-generated.

All they need to do is "randomly" label 99,999 of every 100,000 as AI and they'll be right 99.999% of the time. Cryptographically verifiable provenance and chain of custody is going to be necessary to get to the human only stuff, before long, but the good AI stuff will be better. Just a matter of time, at this point.

Not sure why you appear to be downvoted. Cryptographic provenance is indeed the only solution to humanities digital woes. But only the government could make that a rule so it's not going to happen - at least not in my lifetime.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

StableAlkyne wrote: post #159
zulban wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory you're right, in practice you're not. We don't need the metaphysical solution to the problem of detecting AI videos for the rest of time. Certainly, it's fairly easy to make something that mostly works most of the time. Enough to be very, very useful.

People feel strongly about AI generated content; this is a case where false positives can destroy credibility and disrupt careers. "Works most of the time" isn't good enough here.

There will also be tiktok challenges to do a video that YouTube flags as AI without actually using AI.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by numpad0 »

chrsw wrote: post #73

I wonder why they're really doing this. It's definitely not for users' benefit.

It could be. They seem to be getting enormous amount of politics or crypto related AI fake reels that real people fall for. They probably do need means to control spams.

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by TylerE »

spullara wrote: post #227
ellrob88 wrote: post #139

Curious to see if this will apply to music. YouTube seems to be filled with AI music these days - just do a search for "focus music" or the like, and you'll see creators pushing new 1-hr tracks every few days with no mention of where the music came from or the fact it is AI generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots).

A friend of mine who is a very non-technical dermatologist listens exclusively to Suno songs she made. All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s and 90s. Who else is going to make new songs for her? New music almost always targets young people.

The large number of actual bands from that era still around?

Re: YouTube to automatically label AI-generated videos

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Post by tayo42 »

dmix wrote: post #196
ArcaneMoose wrote: post #189

I'm curious where the line is.. several ambiguous but common scenarios: - Occasional AI b-roll during explainer videos - AI generated backing track (music) - AI generated shots sprinkled in a short film - Showing examples of AI video as an AI capability update or commentary

Plenty of big artists like Kanye use AI to experiment with ideas before releasing the full studio recordings. That’s going to become more common. Just like how developers use LLMs to make a POC to test new ideas before putting the hard work into making it real.

People still admit to listening to Kanye since he started talking about his love of Hitler?
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