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What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by dylan604 »

lanerobertlane wrote: post #24

If my phone interrupts me, it should either mean someone genuinely needs my attention right now or it should not be disrupting me at all. That's my notification set up. Apps allowed to receive push notifications Phone, Messages, Whatsapp, Apple Health, [brand] bank. That concludes the list. There is no reason any other app needs to be able to instantly ping me. Most apps are not notifying you because something matter…

> Phone, Messages

At this point, I'm pretty much in some form of DND at all times. I have a very small list of people that I allow the device to notify me at any time for calls/messages. Everyone else gets silenced and I'll get back to them when I choose. All other apps have notifications disabled and I'm constantly nagged about it when using those apps

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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pcl wrote: post #67
pants2 wrote: post #31

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The biggest problem are apps that do both. For example, I want Uber to notify me when my driver has arrived, but I don't want it to notify me when they have a special 10% discount on my next 5 rides. It's not straightforward to block one but not the other.

For me, it's quite straightforward. If an app makes an unsolicited spammy push, it's notifications-off. No exceptions.

Snapchat has to be the all time worst offender to me about abusive level of notifications. Luckily, you can turn them off, but holy cow batman, that's a lot of notification options to deal with.

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by nathanmills »

unglaublich wrote: post #61
pants2 wrote: post #31

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The biggest problem are apps that do both. For example, I want Uber to notify me when my driver has arrived, but I don't want it to notify me when they have a special 10% discount on my next 5 rides. It's not straightforward to block one but not the other.

No one willingly says "yes" to advertisements, but people will say "yes" to important-updates(-and-advertisements).

Then why is it whenever I watch someone use their computer they always accept cookies?

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by iamacyborg »

dylan604 wrote: post #72
pcl wrote: post #67

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For me, it's quite straightforward. If an app makes an unsolicited spammy push, it's notifications-off. No exceptions.

Snapchat has to be the all time worst offender to me about abusive level of notifications. Luckily, you can turn them off, but holy cow batman, that's a lot of notification options to deal with.

Remember when Android used to let notification senders hijack turning your screen on, Snapchat used that one a lot.

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by iamacyborg »

unglaublich wrote: post #61
pants2 wrote: post #31

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The biggest problem are apps that do both. For example, I want Uber to notify me when my driver has arrived, but I don't want it to notify me when they have a special 10% discount on my next 5 rides. It's not straightforward to block one but not the other.

No one willingly says "yes" to advertisements, but people will say "yes" to important-updates(-and-advertisements).

Hundreds of thousands of people declaratively opt into receiving marketing with informed consent on a daily basis. Just because you don’t does not mean other people are like you.

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by e40 »

fastasucan wrote: post #34
e40 wrote: post #26

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Agreed. And let's not forget focus modes... I have them that narrow greatly my default set of notifications, so I have a 3 tiers of notifications. It's like the complaint I used to hear all the time: "Slack ruins work for me! OMG I can't work with constant interruptions!!" That is bewildering, because if that's how you feel, you haven't tuned your setup. Slack never interrupts me, yet I am response enough to slack me…

If you are very present on slack, ofcourse you dont feel that you are interruped.

I don't know what that means.

I have no audible sounds from notifications. They don't go to my phone, with few exceptions. I get no popups. Yet, I am responsive. It was trivial to set up.

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by bossyTeacher »

lanerobertlane wrote: post #57
pants2 wrote: post #31

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The biggest problem are apps that do both. For example, I want Uber to notify me when my driver has arrived, but I don't want it to notify me when they have a special 10% discount on my next 5 rides. It's not straightforward to block one but not the other.

If I order an Uber, I already know it is coming. I was the person who ordered it. This is how taxis worked for decades before smartphones existed. You phoned for a taxi, then remained vaguely aware that it would arrive shortly. The question is whether a single “it has arrived” notification is worth the surrounding noise: “driver accepted”, “driver is nearby”, “rate your driver”, “here’s 10% off your next ride”, and s…

The point of notifications is the convenience of not having to constantly check your phone for every single app you have (amazon delivery? just eats delivery? uber booking? claude finished its task?).

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by e40 »

elliottkember wrote: post #30
e40 wrote: post #26

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Agreed. And let's not forget focus modes... I have them that narrow greatly my default set of notifications, so I have a 3 tiers of notifications. It's like the complaint I used to hear all the time: "Slack ruins work for me! OMG I can't work with constant interruptions!!" That is bewildering, because if that's how you feel, you haven't tuned your setup. Slack never interrupts me, yet I am response enough to slack me…

> if that's how you feel, you haven't tuned your setup The withering cry of the software engineer "just tune your setup!" This is simply not a thing that people will do. The defaults are so, so important. They are crucial. The vast majority of people rely on the defaults to be sane. The defaults should be sane.

The idea that software like Slack could be setup as "one size fits all" is just ludicrous to me. We have options because different people require different settings.

Re: What Apple and Google are doing to push notifications

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Post by e40 »

TheNewsIsHere wrote: post #48
elliottkember wrote: post #30

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> if that's how you feel, you haven't tuned your setup The withering cry of the software engineer "just tune your setup!" This is simply not a thing that people will do. The defaults are so, so important. They are crucial. The vast majority of people rely on the defaults to be sane. The defaults should be sane.

Absolutely agreed. How much time must everyone be asked to waste to “tune” a working set of applications to something reasonably sane for human beings. Sure, what is sane for one human might not be for the next, but it’s not as if trends cannot be discerned. How ridiculous would it be to be told “if you don’t want people constantly barging into your office, lock the door”?

It wasn't much time at all. Honestly, the push back on this always baffles me.

And when I had an office, I closed (not locked) the door to signify I was in a focus mode. I don't get your point.

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