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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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You can look here [0] for "North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) professional workers (TN)" [0] https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2023/table2...

Do you know what an admission is? A Windsor nurse working in Detroit would count as 300+ admissions over a year.

That does not remotely show what you think it does.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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I used to have aspirations to move to Canada and I know folks who have tried to hire SREs in Toronto. While that post may sound hyperbolic, it is for all intents and purposes accurate. You can’t build an SRE team in Toronto because the talent pool is too shallow. It really is that bad. The story repeats over and over. The degree to which the US captured the Western countries through its dollar system is actually quit…

>I used to have aspirations to move to Canada and I know folks who have tried to hire SREs in Toronto

Bizarre. It's like having an American school me on Canadian healthcare.

Here I'm sitting, in Toronto, having hired for a number of software development teams, currently running my own operations, where every position gets an enormously deep volume of extremely capable candidates.

Shallow talent pool? Good god. Canadian technology salaries are depressed because there is an enormous volume of extremely qualified candidates for every job.

It's not hyperbolic, it's asinine bullshit. Every claim they made is factual nonsense, aside from the truth that working in specific areas of the US (silicon valley, NYC) can yield you a huge salary premium, though that is really kind of a thing of the past and this is like looking at old runes.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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I can understand why this change happened. Even if American equipment is superior, there is a lot of value to not depending on a supposed 'ally' which * Arbitrarily slapped high tariffs on all goods from Canada while exempting Russia and Belarus. * Threatened to take over the country by force. * Officially suspended the Permanent Joint Board on Defense between US and Canada because of criticism of US foreign policy b…

> Even if American equipment is superior

I'd mention that whether a piece of tech can beat another one on one is a consideration but a larger concern is how maintainable your fleet is. Canada is specifically moving to grow ties with the EU (and has joined their defense industry network) which really incentivizes having a fleet that is a similar makeup to other European countries.

The tariffs and international unpredictability of the US is one motivator - but growing closer to EU markets is also a specific focus of the Carney government. The current Trump administration isn't even the only rationale for this - in 2017 the US imposed extremely heavy tariffs on Bombardier that bankrupted the majority of the corporation.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Now the interesting question to me is why is that a country with a tenth of population can have car, truck and military plane manufacturing yet Canada can’t, even with virtually all resources for inputs, including energy can’t.

Canada has historically relied on a relatively stable trading relationship with the U.S. That relationship is a shambles. It remains to be seen how Canada retools itself; I imagine that we will see a blend of on-shoring and new trading sources. So it’s less of an issue of “can’t” and more “hasn’t (yet)”.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Sweden does not have a car industry. The fighter jets are a different matter, very strong technical moat and need to prove the system in combat. You can't just start a fighter jet business.

It does with Volvo, although I couldn't say how big it is relative to global industry. Within Europe it's a large player

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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Now the interesting question to me is why is that a country with a tenth of population can have car, truck and military plane manufacturing yet Canada can’t, even with virtually all resources for inputs, including energy can’t.

We have a larger partner speaking the same language and with a largely synonymous culture and a heavily integrated economy as our neighbour. The moment a Canadian company sees success -- in optics, autos, science, medicine, weaponry, etc. -- it is absorbed by a larger US company and suddenly is no longer Canadian, and in many cases any Canadian operations will usually get choked out. There are few examples where this…

> Sweden had nothing like this

Not entirely true. AstraZeneca and ABB are examples that remain partly Swedish but many companies were merged into big multinationals and eventually marginalised.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Germany couldn't switch off their tanks remotely in 1936

They could refuse to supply replacement parts though and while reverse engineering critical replacements was easier in 1936 it was still a serious concern (especially when it came to figuring out where the capacity to do so would come from).

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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You can look here [0] for "North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) professional workers (TN)" [0] https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2023/table2...

Do you know what an admission is? A Windsor nurse working in Detroit would count as 300+ admissions over a year. That does not remotely show what you think it does.

Ah, okay. So the problem is not that bad. It's way overblown!

Meanwhile, the US continues to siphon off every Waterloo and U Toronto STEM grad to the US and American companies.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Now the interesting question to me is why is that a country with a tenth of population can have car, truck and military plane manufacturing yet Canada can’t, even with virtually all resources for inputs, including energy can’t.

Canada has historically relied on a relatively stable trading relationship with the U.S. That relationship is a shambles. It remains to be seen how Canada retools itself; I imagine that we will see a blend of on-shoring and new trading sources. So it’s less of an issue of “can’t” and more “hasn’t (yet)”.

Frankly to me the fact Canada is "retooling itself" knowing well that this nightmare should be over in less than 3 years, and most likely next President will be a Democrat, but yet they keep retooling, means their strong (reliable?) assumption is that Trump Administration won't leave the office at all, similar to how Putin stayed in power in what arguingly is a Democratic Country.
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