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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by abalashov »

adithyassekhar wrote: post #620
butlike wrote: post #362

I agree and on my death bed I'm going to realize I spent my life working from home, talking to a machine, and not enriching any person's life directly. It's just so gruesomely LONELY.

It hurts that I relate with this so much. I am wasting my 20s. I see people who advocate for permanent wfh has plans with their social circle. Either already has a family or friends. Sucks to be the one trying to build a new life. Btw, I don’t believe them a bit. All I see are rotten people who no longer speaks new things, or is a living instagram bot.

I just turned 40 and am right there with you. I speak out of both sides of the mouth, having been a self-employed beneficiary of remote work since _my_ early 20s -- I was doing the digital nomad thing before it got very common. However, when I think about regrets and life choices about occupation, it's the foreclosing on in-person camaraderie and socialisation that tops the list.

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Post by mtrifonov »

jvanderbot wrote: post #321
MichaelZuo wrote: post #230

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I’m pretty sure the amount of care for fellow coworkers is normally distributed… so it makes sense the way below average just do that. Heck the bottom decile would probably directly tell folks to pound sand if they could get away with it.

But "Go away I'm a curmudgeon" is an honest signal. Honest signals are required for a trust-based workplace. Whether you want a person to be a curmudgeon at work aside, knowing what they really are like and what they will do when you need something is foundational for trust. AI washes that away. Everyone replies with AI voice, so nobody replies with honest signals, not the good / helpful folks or the curmudgeon unhel…

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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by sscaryterry »

torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

One of the reasons my co-founder (CEO) and I (CTO) are now going different ways. AI slop bombs are one of the most disrespectful things you can do to another human. Well, just my opinion.

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Post by hectdev »

engeljohnb wrote: post #829
hectdev wrote: post #660

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I'll give the counter example: I'm currently leading the adoption of AI at my company and given my extensive use of it both at work and in my personal life, my value at the company has risen as someone that knows how to get the most out of the tool. The whispers are towards needing to get more people to move as fast as I can with the subtle implication that not using AI is seen as less productive or at least slower.…

Do you find talking to an AI with your colleagues as a middleman faster than talking to your colleagues?

Sometimes, yes. Some coworkers ramble and give too much information, some leave out information. Sometimes there's a bit of a language barrier. If I can get to the nugget of what needs to be communicated and understood, it can be faster. But also, sometimes just having a conversation/meeting and having a transcript to break things down via AI is convenient and fast.

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Post by hectdev »

jerf wrote: post #789
hectdev wrote: post #660

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I'll give the counter example: I'm currently leading the adoption of AI at my company and given my extensive use of it both at work and in my personal life, my value at the company has risen as someone that knows how to get the most out of the tool. The whispers are towards needing to get more people to move as fast as I can with the subtle implication that not using AI is seen as less productive or at least slower.…

If you are taking AI output and interactively working with it to come to some particular solution, that process of working with it is the value you are adding. The "AI proxy" is specifically about the case where you send a question to someone and literally all they do is paste it to the AI, then send back what the AI said without further work. Literally all they did was proxy your question to the AI.

Yea, but that's just a straw man argument mixed with a little No-True Scotsman. How do you know those people aren't just learning how to use AI and will change over time to be early adopters adapt and using the tool to get work done faster.

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Post by slfnflctd »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #670
tomashubelbauer wrote: post #552

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I just keep repeating "operator" ad nauseam not stopping for anything other than the sound of the call transferring and that almost always works.

I just keep blowing raspberries down the line until I'm connected to a human. There are or course some asshole companies whose bots are designed to never connect you to a human and just hang up after a while.

This is a satisfying way to deal with frustration. Unfortunately, it also gets spit all over whatever device you're speaking toward. Sometimes worth it for sure, though.

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Post by gib444 »

lionkor wrote: post #130
gib444 wrote: post #101

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When your spreadsheet gets full, will you change jobs or change tactic?

I get that this is supposed to be unproductive snark, but the real answer is probably to then sort the spreadsheet and assign a tier system of how annoying and useless each person in it is.

It was not snark (an uncharitable read I must say). The point was everyone is being forced to use AI. So keeping a shitlist is going to be a very, very short term solution.

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #592
embedding-shape wrote: post #293

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Plenty of these experiences can be found without disconnecting the electricity for multiple countries. Personally, I find musical events of all sorts are amazing for this, and completely AI free should you chose the right events :) This weekend Liquicity came to Barcelona (for the first time?) and being with other strangers, dancing all night long, to other humans playing us music and singing and sometimes fucking up…

I remember going to Coachella every year from 2005-2010 and it was a great experience. I went in 2017(?) once after that and it seemed like literally everyone had their phones up filming during the sets. It was a night and day difference. Even the EDM tents were people just filming which also had a chilling effect on how crazy people were getting.

Finally, a use case for smart glasses!

(Very much /s in case it wasn't clear.)

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by [deleted] »

My_Name wrote: post #466
torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

Most people are not self-sufficient entities. 10% are so unable to think that they are simply not able to be a net positive in any job, it takes more energy/time to micromanage them, even for simple tasks, than they put back into the business. 50% are incapable of real innovation. Having met people in my life, an AI is better than most of them by any objective measure IMO.

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Post by llbbdd »

switchbak wrote: post #871
ezst wrote: post #718

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> that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity. I've seen this happening a lot in the recent times: people who are generally not very good at their job tend to offload disproportionately more to LLMs, and it's so damn annoying that their incompetence now comes sugarcoated in lengthy LLM babble for the sake of desperately trying to sound convincing. This is wasting me high single digit hours every we…

I spent a bunch of time on a task that we've chatted about for WEEKS. At the PR review time of this lengthy process, I get a bunch of AI slop saying: - this looks like it changes X to Y, did you mean to do this? Worth another look? It's SO frustrating. Just copy pasted BS. Are we really paying someone 6 figures to copy and paste into a prompt all day? This is madness.

I had a deeply maddening experience at one job where somebody was reviewing a Typescript PR of mine. In their first copy-pasted review there was a suggestion that I do something slightly differently; it wasn't something I had a strong opinion on and they were more familiar with the codebase, so I made the suggested change to just keep the peace and get the change out.

In their followup review, again copy-pasted, it made a new recommendation - which was the way I had done it originally. Absolutely no human conviction behind the review, just copy-paste ping-pong feedback.

The way I got around it was by implementing my original change again, and writing a stronger defense of it, with lots of references, and calling out as many downsides to their initial recommendation as possible, in an attempt to prompt-inject and overwhelm whatever model they were feeding my work into, and it worked. It gave me a very grim view of the near future.

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