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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by lazystar »

sixtyj wrote: post #480
rickydroll wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I attribute people returning AI answers to a desire to feel valued and to feel that they contribute something to the person asking the question. But they are not self-aware or confident enough to understand that they should preface the AI response with: "Interesting question, I asked Claude that question, and here's what I got for a response. Here's what I thought was interesting about Claude's response and what I th…

I would rather hear the answer “I don’t know. I had to look it up.” (And I don’t care what you have used as sources, as citing counts with norms/laws or in academics.) If you really rewrite LLM’s response in your own words, I will know that you have learnt something. Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you. And we won’t be able to d…

> Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you.

and what if i tell you i asked stack overflow?

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by u_fucking_dork »

mindfulbun wrote: post #537

I like the way how you have written this text. It’s short and clear. Not a wall of text. Very easy to read and comprehend. I believe that being concise is a going to be a new trend. And not just concise, but unique and short, probably even with a lot of mistakes in your writings

Until someone fine tunes their LLM to match whatever the trend is and then the contrarians buck that trend for something else. An endless game of cat and mouse.

I personally don’t care if an output is from LLM or human, as long as someone has validated it and determined that it’s correct and useful.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by tracker1 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #499
FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #468

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I've gone back to just calling people on the phone like a true savage.

Weirdly, and MAYBE tangentially related to AI, me too. I've been driving my friends nuts cuz we're all neurodivergent little goblin people and now I just call them. And they aren't actually mad they're just like "what's wrong with you" and it's just like, look, sometimes I just need a fuckin answer to a fuckin question, and faster is better. And phone calls are instant. I think they're coming around now cuz two of em…

I never stopped.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by lilOnion »

NickNaraghi wrote: post #563

Unfortunately this is a skill issue. The information is in the machine, you just need to figure out how to get it out. Most people are very far behind on this.

So you're telling me that the business logic or some domain knowledge about my company is in the LLM and that I sould not ask my manager questions?

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Post by sinsudo »

torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

I don't claim to know the context in which that AI slop communication happens. But when people are really interested in what you ask them, they usually give their own opinions in their own voice.

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Post by tracker1 »

sofixa wrote: post #492
bauldursdev wrote: post #381

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Agree wholeheartedly. I have actually started introducing small idiosyncrasies into my text to make it clear that my words come from me and not a bot.

Same, I've started adding stylistic (-/; with an odd/imperfect placement- like this) errors to make it clear it's artisanal home made slop, not AI-generated.

When I use my phone, I don't have to... I usually use gesture input and don't proof read before hitting send/reply/post.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by metalliqaz »

sodic wrote: post #524
metalliqaz wrote: post #488

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I agree with your assessment of people. I find that there is a lot of overlap with this old quote: Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. AI is the perfect product for that third group. However I disagree in that I don't want to "talk to AI" either. Any time anyone sends me AI output, I simply reply that I can prompt GPT myself, if I want; just send me the inputs.

> I simply reply that I can prompt GPT myself, if I want; just send me the inputs. I didn't quite get this, you ask them to send you their prompt? Does this disincentivize them from sending AI responses in the future? P.S. I always found it ironic that this quote does the very thing it classifies as small-minded - discusses people :)

Here's an example that may help:

Their prompt: "write a polite and friendly email message to turn down an invitation because I already have plans at that time."

What I want them to send me: "thank you but I already have plans"

I don't want 2-paragraphs of milquetoast slop.

P.S. Ideas can involve people.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by georgeecollins »

torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

OK I am bracing for the downvotes..

What about when the llm is smarter than the person? Sometimes I get material that is so bad I wish they had had AI do it. Then it would be poor to mediocre.

There was an episode of the podcast “Question Everything “ where they talked about how LLM s can sometimes talk people out of conspiracy theories by patiently refuting the arguments with facts. There have been academic studies on this.

I think people hate AI because it is often mediocre and flawed but sometimes it’s replacing humans that are inept.

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Post by 48terry »

rickydroll wrote: post #406
jvanderbot wrote: post #172

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What I hate about this whole thing, is that there are many reasons someone might reach out to a coworker with questions. Not all require the knowledge in fancy markdown with emojis. Maybe they want to show respect to a person by asking their opinion before proceeding with a change Maybe they want to share context and make that person aware of what they're thinking without being so obvious Maybe they need _that person…

I attribute people returning AI answers to a desire to feel valued and to feel that they contribute something to the person asking the question. But they are not self-aware or confident enough to understand that they should preface the AI response with: "Interesting question, I asked Claude that question, and here's what I got for a response. Here's what I thought was interesting about Claude's response and what I th…

...But even that sucks. I want to talk to YOU, about THIS. Not talk about your book report of Claude's output. Why would I want to do that? Why am I supposed to care about what you thought was interesting about Claude's output or how it was applicable? You turned me talking to you about something into a book report about the chatbot.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by tfrancisl »

epolanski wrote: post #240
tfrancisl wrote: post #90

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No, this was in response to some questions about different approaches enterprises take to automated code quality review and complying with some arbitrary security standard out there. And this was a principal secops guy who thought the appropriate thing to do was to ask Copilot. Being known as an RTFM type of person, I usually appreciate when a super nonspecific question is met with a link to the docs.

Did you miss my "Not saying that's the very specific case"?

No, which is why I started my message with "No, ..."!
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