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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by bluegatty »

torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

What? This is patronizing and maybe a bit insulting.

If you call a helpdesk agent - they have to query the system to pull up your case.

The UX is a bit different now.

That's it.

Your 'anthropomorphising projectION' here is the issue, not the person using basic tools to help you - as they always have.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by charles_f »

torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

I remember a moment at the very onset when chatgpt was just opened to the public. A manager sent us a congratulations text chatGPT had prepared for his kid's graduation from high school. He said that he was not much of a writer and that was miles better than he could have said. We had a discussion about the moral side of that (though moral might not be the word), pointing out that bad words that come from a genuine place and required effort from you are better than great words that are manufactured by a robot. He didn't see the issue.

I think this just depends on a system of values, "to each their own". I don't see the point of having a bot write comments for me on HN, or blog posts for me, or answers on GitHub. I feel great for articulating my thoughts in a way that (narcisticaly) I can enjoy re-reading myself. Some people don't value that, and for whatever motivation don't mind delegating their voice to a bot.

And then there are the "people" who just try to build accounts with lots of internet points that they might be able to resell for a few bucks. Those can die.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by mrweasel »

onemoresoop wrote: post #286
bombcar wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

90% of the time I ask a question of a coworker that could be googled or clauded what I’m actually asking for is their confirmation that they agree with the answer. So use the AI, but at least read the reply and/or reword it so it’s clear that you agree.

Maybe they don’t wanna take responsibility for that answer?

In our case we're completely allowed to use AI, but if you do, you carry the responsibility for it's output (not in a legal sense obviously). So if your LLM says "Sure, go ahead and run that code" and it deletes the production database, that's your fault, just as much as if you reviewed it manually and said the same thing.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by ohmahjong »

AI has made my experience as a fully remote worker in a not-fully-remote company worse. It is adding a layer of indirection between myself and the juniors I'm mentoring, or the product manager I'm working on a feature with, and many other mundane facets of work. The opportunity to passively pick up on my coworkers' idiosyncrasies is now gone and all I can do is guess at what prompt they might have used.

I'm trying to have more face-to-face calls, and to talk to people without a bot involved, but can be difficult, frustrating, and not "productive" either.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by mittensc »

Tade0 wrote: post #416
mittensc wrote: post #179

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I find your comment a bit funny > Try prompting Claude to fix an arbitrary code base better than someone who knows it, when you're a random non-technical person. I've seen people employed working on some code bases that couldn't code at all. > Try prompting Claude for legal advice and getting as good of results as Lawyer would if you're a layperson. Some lawyers are downright incompetent and don't know what they're t…

> You'd generally find that out by vising another doctor and finding previous diagnostic was bullshit and you lost time. To be fair the human body is immensely complex. Every specialist will look at everything through the lens of their field, as at the very least they can rule out some things this way. I had a doctor judge that my tonsils need to be removed, but for unrelated reasons I went to two other and both of t…

I've seen doctors that:

1. Immediately said 'Cancer' to stomach issues on an old person. They just didn't care, another doctor resolved that.

2. Eye doctors that would not investigate anything and just prescribe eye glasses and would recommend local companies that they owned or had a stake in.

3. Fake gynecologists that did C-Sections brutally without any experience

4. Fake plastic surgeons with no experience just going by word of mouth taking rich peoples money

5. Fertility doctors doing human egg-trafficking.

6. General doctors forcing appendectomy if under-18s came to the hospital with any stomach complains (they could not refuse, doctor got money for the surgery)

Sure, human body is complex. That wasn't my point.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by Tepix »

embedding-shape wrote: post #293
xen_relay wrote: post #214

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Lovely! I am all for an offline day in the year where everybody does what you described.

Plenty of these experiences can be found without disconnecting the electricity for multiple countries. Personally, I find musical events of all sorts are amazing for this, and completely AI free should you chose the right events :) This weekend Liquicity came to Barcelona (for the first time?) and being with other strangers, dancing all night long, to other humans playing us music and singing and sometimes fucking up…

The problem with live concerts is that a substantial number of people are holding up their smartphones in front of them and experiencing it through the screen.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by morpheos137 »

the fallacy is not recognizing ai is interpolating the human body of work. all the people decrying ai slop: this is our sythesis. ai is not a separate thing from human work. whwt the author is really saying is "I am tired of individuals no longer having the leverage they once did."

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by nomadpgmr »

I called the local Apple Store, got what was probably an AI. I just needed the hours, so that was OK, but then it asked if I needed anything else. I asked for winning numbers to the lottery. It thunk and thunk and thought some more and came back with, I’ll have to pass you to a store employee. Now I know how to avoid 1,000 questions and get a live person.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by jamespo »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #456
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #427

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The problem is that most of the people in my circle who are returning AI answers to emails and chat messages do not understand enough about the topic to know whether a question is interesting or not, which parts of the response are interesting, and which parts apply. They seem to think they've more or less solved the problem by posting an LLM's response to the issue or concern I've raised.

But why would ask these people about topics they don't understand? Or they sending you unsolicited responses?

Maybe they are hoping for a tiny bit of research / looking into things

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by sixtyj »

rickydroll wrote: post #406
jvanderbot wrote: post #172

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What I hate about this whole thing, is that there are many reasons someone might reach out to a coworker with questions. Not all require the knowledge in fancy markdown with emojis. Maybe they want to show respect to a person by asking their opinion before proceeding with a change Maybe they want to share context and make that person aware of what they're thinking without being so obvious Maybe they need _that person…

I attribute people returning AI answers to a desire to feel valued and to feel that they contribute something to the person asking the question. But they are not self-aware or confident enough to understand that they should preface the AI response with: "Interesting question, I asked Claude that question, and here's what I got for a response. Here's what I thought was interesting about Claude's response and what I th…

I would rather hear the answer “I don’t know. I had to look it up.” (And I don’t care what you have used as sources, as citing counts with norms/laws or in academics.)

If you really rewrite LLM’s response in your own words, I will know that you have learnt something.

Because if you tell me directly that you have asked Claude, next time I will probably ask Claude directly as I don’t need you.

And we won’t be able to distinguish what is yours and what is claude’s so I’ll be subconsciously suspicious that the whole answer is ai-generated (/skill me-persona-answer-descriptive)

That is the reason why doctors wear white and have stethoscope. In many cases people don’t argue with their opinion as they know that doctor had to spend 6 years to earn it. But if they admit LLM as a source they are becoming replaceable.

The emphasis should be on “rewriting”, even kids know copy-paste and it doesn’t count :)

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