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Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by somenameforme »

kjs3 wrote: post #16
bombcar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The church Latin used in “the Latin Mass” is relatively simple and pretty easy to learn; and it’s very rare to find one that does the readings and homily in Latin; most of those are in English (or the local language) even at an FSSP parish. Of course if it’s “really” done in the ancient way then it’s done at such a high speed that you need five or six Jesuits and advanced recording equipment to even figure out what i…

I recall some of the Orthodox denominations still do mass in Latin. I visited an Antiochian Orthodox Church for a class where this was the case. I think (it has been a long while) the key phrase you'd look for is 'Western Rite'.

Some Eastern Orthodox use (for all dialogue, they do celebrate mass) a language that's now only referred to as Church Slavonic. [1] Though going down this tangent I can't help but think of that Emo Phillips skit on religion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNX_XiuA78

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Slavonic

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by krzyk »

What is strange, that medical matters are mostly translated to Polish, while when I watch medical shows on TV I see that US still tends to use Latin there.

Similar thing for species names, not sure where I've seen it.

A side note from Polanmd: My professor of Solids State Physics was pretty fluent in both Latin and Greek, which I find quite interesting (it was about ~20 years ago, he was in his 60-70s).

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by mostertoaster »

somenameforme wrote: post #17
graemep wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically Latin was also a common international language. Educated people could understand Latin across much of Europe. Not so great for the majority of people, of course. The article seems to indicate that in some places it was pretty widely understood. I think some rites of the church did use other languages such as Syriac. I knew about SSPX but not the Palmarians. They seem to be even odder and a cult. Interest…

Not just Europe. Well into relatively modern history educated individuals in America were expected to have fluency in Latin and frequently Greek as well. This [1] Harvard admission exam from 1869 immediately comes to mind. Applicants were expected to be able to pass that test, and the overwhelming majority did. [1] - https://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/education/harvard...

The classical school movement in America is growing quite rapidly, and so maybe we start to see it again?

My kids at least are all learning Latin, and later, Greek.

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by cwmma »

krzyk wrote: post #22

What is strange, that medical matters are mostly translated to Polish, while when I watch medical shows on TV I see that US still tends to use Latin there. Similar thing for species names, not sure where I've seen it. A side note from Polanmd: My professor of Solids State Physics was pretty fluent in both Latin and Greek, which I find quite interesting (it was about ~20 years ago, he was in his 60-70s).

There is a specific medial jargon developed form latin designed to be unambiguous and often intentionally different from lay words is one thing you're hearing in American tv, the other is that many technical words are English words but of latin origin.

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by p0w3n3d »

This phenomenon is well explained in ``God's Playground: A History of Poland'' by Norman Davies, which I am currently reading/listening to. But historically Latin was the lingua franca that time, and Polish people who wrote were always educated. So no other possibility back day I'd say...

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by Tade0 »

asibahi wrote: post #20
Tade0 wrote: post #7

I'm Polish and my father (boomer generation) attended a boys-only high school, where Latin was part of the mandatory curriculum. He managed to use it once when we were living in Kuwait and he had to arrange for my sister to get baptized - he knew that there were two missionaries visiting the local Cathedral - one Spanish and the other Polish but as he didn't know who was who, he started the conversation in Latin and…

I’m confused. Why not start the conversation in Polish?

He didn't know the nationality of the man in front of him as he's never seen the faces of the two before. It was the mid 90s, so it's not like he could easily look that up.

Also he figured it would be rude.

IIRC the wider context is that my dad, not knowing where the priests were at that moment and having no one to ask in the vicinity, went to a confessional as he saw someone there.

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by snowpid »

graemep wrote: post #15
snowpid wrote: post #6

As a side note I do think Latin language should be become the official language of the EU. It's dead so - its a compromise for all member staes - you can change as you like - it was used millennials as a law language so it fits

I think that is a reason the catholic Church still uses it for things like papal encyclicals. It puts different groups on a more equal footing. Far more people understand it than things like Esperanto. Quite a lot of people know it a bit. I did it at school. My kids learned some (their choice to do it up to GCSE level). That said, in practice, English is the international language. It is what is most likely to be use…

English is a living language so it's a bad choice (at least from my criteria ;) )

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by graemep »

snowpid wrote: post #27
graemep wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is a reason the catholic Church still uses it for things like papal encyclicals. It puts different groups on a more equal footing. Far more people understand it than things like Esperanto. Quite a lot of people know it a bit. I did it at school. My kids learned some (their choice to do it up to GCSE level). That said, in practice, English is the international language. It is what is most likely to be use…

English is a living language so it's a bad choice (at least from my criteria ;) )

Yes, agreed. That was intended to be a BTW and Latin is probably the best choice on your criteria.

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by graemep »

somenameforme wrote: post #17
graemep wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically Latin was also a common international language. Educated people could understand Latin across much of Europe. Not so great for the majority of people, of course. The article seems to indicate that in some places it was pretty widely understood. I think some rites of the church did use other languages such as Syriac. I knew about SSPX but not the Palmarians. They seem to be even odder and a cult. Interest…

Not just Europe. Well into relatively modern history educated individuals in America were expected to have fluency in Latin and frequently Greek as well. This [1] Harvard admission exam from 1869 immediately comes to mind. Applicants were expected to be able to pass that test, and the overwhelming majority did. [1] - https://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/education/harvard...

I was thinking of rather earlier in history, but you are right.

My grandfather was studied Latin (and Greek) in school in Sri Lanka.

Re: We are Poles, so, of course, we print in Latin

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Post by ai_slop_hater »

mostertoaster wrote: post #23
somenameforme wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just Europe. Well into relatively modern history educated individuals in America were expected to have fluency in Latin and frequently Greek as well. This [1] Harvard admission exam from 1869 immediately comes to mind. Applicants were expected to be able to pass that test, and the overwhelming majority did. [1] - https://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/education/harvard...

The classical school movement in America is growing quite rapidly, and so maybe we start to see it again? My kids at least are all learning Latin, and later, Greek.

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