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Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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That’s not violence. The word “violence” doesn’t mean anything you don’t like. I don’t understand why some people want to call everything violence. Watering down the meaning of a word doesn’t help anything.

Killing you slowly is very much violence.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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It seems pretty insincere of a complaint, when in those communities, 100x more land and water is used for farming, just because farming is a heritage, no?

* if that's a sarcastic / troll comment, congratulations, you got me but good :-) * if it's serious, what in the world do you eat, to compare farming, with AI datacentres, on equal / comparable footing in terms of necessity and efficiencies -- or call farming a "heritage business"? :->

I purchase surplus xeons on ebay, grind them into powder, and mix them into my milkshakes. If you aren't going that route then the real question here is what you're supplementing with to get the necessary computational boost. I'm aware of the complaints that surplus gear has a lower overall nutritional value but you'll see that it's highly cost effective if you can just be bothered to do the math.

Failing to invest in datacenters now is going to mean paying more for the same consumption later. IMO it's best to let the hyperscalers take the hit from the initial depreciation. Sure the alternative gets you cheaper wheat or corn or whatever but that's coupled with an absurdly large premium if you're then blending in brand new CPUs and GPUs.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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> I also think Americans have the right to decide what happens in their neighborhoods. I agree with this. At the same time, all of the data center proposals in my state are in remote locations nowhere near any residences. They’re still the target of protests.

Just because a data center is way outside your neighborhood; doesn't mean it can't have a direct impact on you personally. Electrical and water resources used can affect your utility bills.

But there is also some hype about just how much it will affect you, that is not necessarily true.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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Is there a map of munitions plants and spy centers and other facilities whose sole purpose is to active oppress, harm and outright kill people?

Or the offices of ads agencies defacing countless public spaces, injecting noise into every activity and wasting billions of hours combined of everybody's life?

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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Why go through the effort when such work has already been done? https://www.datacentermap.com/datacenters/ Not being negative. But isn’t there existing highly reliable data that already exists for this?

To document the impacts and organize people against the harms.

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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Do real people genuinely care about this more than CAFO (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation) (for example)?

I can eat animals off a feedlot. I can’t eat anything that comes out of an ai data center.

Why are you ok with spending $100 on groceries but not $100 on poison?

Re: Erin Brockovich made a map to track data centers around the country

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Opposition data center is stupid. We need as many data centers as possible. If you actually want to make a difference how about you mandate that they all come with their own solar and battery power packs. When the hell did the left become so regressive?

No one is stopping them from building out their own renewables and if they were doing that while also _fully_ accounting for water usage and any other externalities I don't think there would be much (if any) opposition to them. But that's really expensive so they (by and large) aren't doing that so there's opposition. Seems normal and expected to me.
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