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There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Also worth your consideration: The Rise of ETF Slop - Ben Felix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14V7q4gHKFo

i cannot wait for the word "slop" to leave the zeitgeist.

I wonder when/where that started. My girlfriend's kid and her friends have been using the word slop for at least the last 5 years to refer to fast food.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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It's an irrelevant point because ETFs incorporate more than just US stocks. You have global stocks (tens of thousands), options (a million expirations), bonds (3 million cusips) , crypto, futures, and the list goes on. And it becomes a combinatorial exercise... The article is pointing out the lack of publicly listed companies in the USA. But we also have private stock in ETFs now. And not to mention a handful of bloc…

It also just seems like a bizarre thing to care about. "There are more user playlists on Spotify than songs!" Well yeah, of course there are?

Breaking news: Number of potential combinations of set elements rumored to _far exceeds_ the cardinality of said set! Populace baffled!

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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It's an irrelevant point because ETFs incorporate more than just US stocks. You have global stocks (tens of thousands), options (a million expirations), bonds (3 million cusips) , crypto, futures, and the list goes on. And it becomes a combinatorial exercise... The article is pointing out the lack of publicly listed companies in the USA. But we also have private stock in ETFs now. And not to mention a handful of bloc…

Yeah, ETF is a function of strategy, asset, financing methods and many other things. Varying leverage alone can multiply one ETF into 3 or 4. Other than showing that there's more risk in a collapse than just the single security I'm not sure what I'd do with this information.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Question! Is there a counterparty risk with ETFs versus owning the equivalent fund that owns the same underlying stocks? (Assuming there is an ETF and fund that are approximately equivalent.) I trade about once a year, so there's no real benefit to me with ETFs, and I've always preferred funds.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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It's an irrelevant point because ETFs incorporate more than just US stocks. You have global stocks (tens of thousands), options (a million expirations), bonds (3 million cusips) , crypto, futures, and the list goes on. And it becomes a combinatorial exercise... The article is pointing out the lack of publicly listed companies in the USA. But we also have private stock in ETFs now. And not to mention a handful of bloc…

I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX. Remember in 2008 when Standard and Poors was giving AAA ratings to junk CDOs at the investment banks behest? SPCX isn't going to collapse the global financial markets, but the exact same shady rules changes and suspect IPO structure reeks of banks trying to pull the wool over retail's eyes.

> I hope to god "investors" don't fall for the "blockbuster" IPO of SPCX.

Elon would never leave that to chance, he made sure it doesn't matter if investors "fall" for it or not by bullying the indexes into suspending their 1-year rules specifically to get SPCX (and everyone's 401k) bought in within 15 days. If you use indexes you're buying SPCX right out of the gate whether you like it or not.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Isn't that like saying there are more blog posts written than books.

Sure they are similar in that they are collections of words, but the significance of the total is not the count of how many there are, but rather their sum worth.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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Also worth your consideration: The Rise of ETF Slop - Ben Felix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14V7q4gHKFo

i cannot wait for the word "slop" to leave the zeitgeist.

i cannot wait for the word zeitgeist to leave the zeitgeist.

Re: There are now more ETFs than stocks in the US

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The number of ETFs isn't as relevant as the total % of funds invested in passive funds as opposed to single stocks or active funds. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5259427 > Passive capitalization-weighted index funds now surpass active management in aggregate investor allocations. Flows into passive strategies cause unrelated stocks to move synchronously, undermining diversification and potential…

The shift to passive capitalization-weighted indexes may be making it easier for active investors to make money. The massive ballast of passive capital that has predictable reactive behavior provides a small degree of leverage.
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