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Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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I agree with this. Pretty shocking to see all the replies you got though. Over the last 10-20 years there seems to be a drastic increase of people who think government control is a good idea.

It could have something to do with the really bad evil and stupid ideas that people like Peter Thiel propagate with the immense wealth they've accumulated. If the Venn diagram of billionaire nerds and fascists were less of a circle you might have a point.

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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So I take it you have a problem with laws against murder, fraud, theft, etc. Aside from the government, who is it that you prefer to do judgment and enforcement?

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Gambling creates addicts, and addicts are more likely to act in desperation. They might steal, default on debt, or kill themselves and are less productive members of society. I bet societies with lots of addicts are much less likely to thrive because they carry a ton of dead weight. Thus we should ban or at least curb gambling because it hurts us all in general.

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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Didn't we learn our lesson in SimCity? Crime went up when you added a casino.. but governments gained a little tax revenue... We seem to get the crime (see insider trading) but no tax revenue... Maybe I'm just showing my age...

U.S. citizens still need to pay taxes on their winnings.

Kalshi and Polymarket require you to provide your SSN.

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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please stop calling them prediction markets. It's not even accurate, you do not buy a prediciton

You don't literally buy the future on a futures exchange either. What name would you suggest instead?

The futures market is essentially about selling now but delivering in the future, so the naming kind of works.

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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Most of Spain did not even know polymarket existed until a couple of days ago.

Not sure how you want me to respond to that. Are you getting that from a feel of yours or some statistical analysis of familiarity with polymarket in Spain? I don't think it matters much anyway, I bet most human beings don't know what polymarket is. But still, you think it warrants a conspiracy? To what end? None of this makes much sense to me.

I'd say based on vibes too, it seems to have gotten more common subject to talk about, also on TV, news and so on. It was virtually not talked about a year ago, compared to today.

Google Trends seems to agree too: https://trends.google.com/explore?q=polymarket&date=today%20...

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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Yeah. You aren't allowed to set up a life insurance policy on someone else's life, or a fire insurance policy on someone else's home. For obvious reasons. But buying an event contract that pays if someone dies or someone's house burns down is fine?

Well, you are privately allowed to bet on whatever you like with another individual. That is indeed legally fine, though potentially distasteful. Polymarket is facilitating bets between people, not bets with the house. Gambling and insurance are both bets with the house.

Can you name the individuals you are betting with on Polymarket? Can they name you?

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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These - especially Polymarket - should be illegal globally, as they incentivize people with power to manipulate the real world in horribly destructive ways to win a bet. I would not be surprised if people are murdered at some point to reap the payout of some related bet.

This is very naive. Many people have incentives to manipulate the financial markets, also with real world consequences. Should we ban financial markets as a result?

Do you really think that there are no people, who have bet on the price of something in one direction or the other, who enact real world consequences on people or other entities in order to ensure their bet? This is par for the course.

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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The service is the house, and they take fees on bets, so they are the only ones guaranteed to win.

By that logic market makers in the stock market are basically like a casino too. No one is of course guaranteed to win in anything but at least the stock market doesn't ban you for making too much money like a casino does.

The casinos won't ban you if you take too much from other players. They ban you because you take to much from the casino itself.

If you somehow caused some exchange to consistently lose money, I'm sure they'd cut you off.

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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These - especially Polymarket - should be illegal globally, as they incentivize people with power to manipulate the real world in horribly destructive ways to win a bet. I would not be surprised if people are murdered at some point to reap the payout of some related bet.

Yeah. You aren't allowed to set up a life insurance policy on someone else's life, or a fire insurance policy on someone else's home. For obvious reasons. But buying an event contract that pays if someone dies or someone's house burns down is fine?

Murder and arson are illegal. Just because there is an event contract that doesn't make them legal to do.

Re: Spain blocks prediction markets Polymarket, Kalshi over lack of gambling licence

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sure, a bet market which is gambling, not a 'prediction market'. those are not predictions

You can gamble on the stock exchange, just like you can "non-gamblingly" hedge certain risks by buying/selling certain financial products such as event futures. (Many insurance policies are structurally just that and are used for very boring non-gambling purposes!) I don't think you'll find a simple/useful answer by slicing the problem on that axis.

At least when I put money in the stock market, I own a piece of the companies I'm invested in. I get some small amount of voting rights.

You don't get anything outside of winnings or losses from your bets on a "prediction market".

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