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Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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post #58

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Logius is actually not a company but a part of the dutch (national) goverment.

It's a state owned enterprise as far as I remember. So technically they don't wear civil service uniforms in the office, but still get the usual government office hours.

No I checked this. They aren't.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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post #22

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I've always found Whatsapp a terrible name, but its so established now that 'apping' is understood. If you're big enough it seems that a bad name hardly hold you back.

"To whatsapp" is a common verb, but I have never heard anyone say "apping". Where do you live where "apping" is understood?

Can confirm that it's an extremely common verb in The Netherlands.

https://onzetaal.nl/taalloket/appen-whatsappen-vervoeging

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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This is not some sort of company making unique tech, it's a company handling some of the most the vital infrastructure for our government, you can imagine the privacy concerns. Completely different case

Sure, but the point is that it's tit-for-tat. This US administration is petty.

> This

I don't think it's changing after this administration.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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From the article: > Kyndryl said in a statement it was "extremely disappointed" about the decision. "The politicization of this process has overshadowed the clear and important benefits this transaction would have brought to Solvinity's customers and Dutch citizens." Are these guys so tone-death to the point they even try to gaslight the world? They are trying to take over a nation's ID system. Who in their right min…

As per the Dutch language saying: "Trust comes on foot, but leaves on horseback."

Trust breakdowns are costly, except to the vultures "winning" the negative-sum game. Might want to read about the fall of the Warsaw pact.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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post #26

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It is a bit more complex tham that. Logius is the company that actually owns and manages the DigiD stack, it's just that they hired Solvinity for their expertise. AFAIK Solvinity can't access the data. I can't find it right now, but on Tweakers there was a long comment by someone on the inside that explained Logius basically had almost no know-how of how the current stack works, and there's lots of bespoke stuff. Bas…

The German eID stack does also work well, just as the Austrian one does. Tbh I like the German one even better because you need your physical Identity Card and can use your phone as the reader

Maybe better, but less useful. I don't carry my Identity Card at all, unless I cross the border within EU where it is used. All other functions I have in our country app. To which I can log in using physical card, but I have other options that are online.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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post #32

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>> Finally! You are behind the curve. You read here first. Lets revisit this comment in 2 years... This will be overturned by both Dutch and European courts after the company appeals, and specially after Mark Rutte Daddy calls. The only purpose of this action is for the Dutch government to save face, and its for internal consumption. They already have the internal legal advice stating this, hidden away in some closet…

> Mark Rutte Daddy calls Mark Rutte, the chief of NATO and ex-PM, that has nothing to do with civilian tech? Can we please leave unfounded conspiracy theories to Reddit?

Dutch and belgian citizens are being misled over and over again. The more you'd dig into it, the less it all makes sense.

All we get are documents with nearly everything censored except for very benign things. Only time will tell what's going on, but I doubt I'll live the day

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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post #108

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The question is rather: Why would a person complain about dying of thirst, but refuse to go to the river to drink, and also refuse to pay for a glass of water. That makes me believe he is dishonest when he's saying he is thirsty. Or are we pretending that the Dutch people don't have any money between them to make an offer on this company?

We're just establishing that what one can pay is in fact not the only measure, disproving your universal assertion by counterexample. Regarding the specific case, they probably have the money. But they don't need it. Such is the beauty of regulatory power, vested in a democracy.

The common expression goes: "Put your money where your mouth is"

I want to see if the Dutch will do that or not.

To see the full beauty of regulatory power, you also have to be blind to the long term consequences of decisions.

For example, are the best Dutch entrepreneurs government-aligned to the extent that they will create their startup or business in the Netherlands, knowing that they won't be able to sell shares for their company at full price? If the Dutch were willing to match the American offer, then there would be no long-term issues for them with this blocking action.

The result is that European hi-tech entrepreneurs create their businesses in a friendlier environment, which is usually the USA. And that European entrepreneurs who stay in their homeland have a hard time competing for European talent with pay.

It's easy for a nation state to mandate almost whatever they want when it comes to fixed stuff such as natural resources and agriculture. But when it comes to human talent, they (still) have the option to leave for better pastures. Or just leave business plans on the shelf.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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Finally! The entire country has been clamouring for this for weeks, and the government has been completely silent about it. A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government extended it anyway, leaving blocking the takeover as the only option, and there wasn't a lot of confidence that the government would do tha…

*for months
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