So the plan is to make the cost of living even more expensive for people without kids?
Do they understand the problem in the first place? Many people can't afford to have kids.
Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care
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#22Wow, once again older generations pulling up the ladder on advantages they had that no longer exist for younger generations.
The final fuck you from the Boomers will be that they will be dying en masse just as the consequences of their behavior really start to bite and it is no longer possible for anyone else to have what they did.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Society pays a lot for children as well. Including members without children.
E.g. they have "free" higher education in Germany isn't it? Maybe not even just for domestic students?
I know a big factor in Korea is social relationships between the genders (expectations about housework, childcare, etc). The current arrangements are not attractive to many women.
How is it in Germany? I would guess better
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#24This is very cruel towards people who want to have children but can't.
Not to mention, cruel towards people who are not financially ready for children and make a conscious choice to not have children without the resources for it, but get financially penalized for it.
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#25Makes sense since they don’t produce future taxpayers. They should also adjust retirement age based on life expectancy -of course people won’t like this but you can’t overcome the math. Separately, I also think airfare should be in part based on weight.
Someone hasnt heard of Goodharts Law.
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#26This is very cruel towards people who want to have children but can't.
They can always adopt?
The adoption process is incredibly broken.
Prospective adoptive parents need to assume a difficult years-long process with no guarantee of placement, mid to high five-figures expenses or more (prohibitive for the average non-FAANG Americans), assume major undisclosed and significantly heritable mental health disorders, assume undisclosed in-utero substance exposure requiring challenging and costly care, and be aware of revocation periods up to one year in length.
I've seen people exhaust themselves financially after many years of trying only to be told by agencies they were now above the age limit. I've seen people learn later of a family history of not just Cluster C or even B disorders, but A. I've seen revocation on the last day of eligibility at the one year mark.
International agencies are notorious for not disclosing previously diagnosed FAS, drug exposure, autism, and other major medical issues to the receiving stateside agency a consistent problem adopting out of Eastern Europe, especially.
Too many good homes who would love to adopt are being put off of the process. We need major adoption reform so eligible parents have a relatively smooth process they can trust.
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#28Still a draft bill, nothing final yet.
What are the chances it goes through?
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Society pays a lot for children as well. Including members without children.
The fact that birth rate is so low in countries with good social security safe net suggests that the society isn't paying enough.
Not necessarily. It's possible that no amount of money would solve this problem. Birth control inherently broke the previously built evolutionary mechanism that insured that the extremely strong built in desire for sex would result in kids. That's no longer the case, and a lot of people would decide to not have kids even if money were no object.
As you point out, Finland famously has incredible family support, and also a birth rate under 1.3.