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Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Just FYI, at DuckDuckGo we have a search setting to turn ads off: https://duckduckgo.com/settings We also have a no ai version: https://noai.duckduckgo.com/

I switched to your service something like twelve or thirteen years ago now. I spent the first year or so adding `!g` to everything, but it's been a long time since I've felt the need to bother with that. Thanks for doing what you do.

Thanks!

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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What are your metrics for good? I’ve exclusively used ddg for years and have zero issues. You ask for an outrageous level of proof- you prove it’s not good.

Whattttttt this is a few bucks of request from some open source model, just been lazy Edit: have to do the work, get the screenshots, & analyze my own patterns. How often do I just need the first link from any search engine (like searching $majorBrand to look for their homepage), how often do I search something esoteric where DDG falters, how often do I search something essentially unique but simply not indexed by Bi…

None of that says anything about ddg being bad. What does esoteric even mean in this context? I stand by it being a great private search engine.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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From that point of view nothing that requires human input is free. Which is true in a sense, people are using free to mean free to use, not free to improve.

> nothing that requires human input is free. TANSTAAFL does not need a qualifier to apply. "Nothing is really free, so whatever you got 'for free' from a community member or some non-commercial effort was bound to have limited reach" is more like the point I'm trying to make.

Of course we put labor into it. It's not some seance or wormhole communicating with the software dimension.

This is the way FOSS is meant to work. I got jobs where an employer was happy to run other people's FOSS software "for free", happy for me to contribute bugs/requirements/patches back upstream, and happy to release our own projects under FOSS licenses.

It is a win-win for all involved. That's the whole point of it.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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`&udm=14` just sends you to the "web" tab of search, which does remove the AI summary, but you also lose the widgets that google puts at the top of search, if you like those (weather, calculator, games, etc). one of my friends recently found that you can add a short invalid filter parameter like `&tbs=1` and it'll give you the main search with no AI but with those widgets if they would normally appear. you do still g…

`-ai` was doing that for me a few months ago, but I'm afk and haven't tried it recently

`-ai` isn't actually a special case that removes the ai overview, it just adds a search filter which removes all results with the word "ai". afaik the ai overview is simply less likely to show up with a filtered search

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Mojeek feels like a 'classic' engine as they're 100% independent with their own crawler, index and algorithms. Results aren't biased by third party indices, search history or advertising interests. Kagi is another good alternative.

Google and others are racing to integrate AI but - for me - there are two hidden costs. 1. Access to the web becomes mediated and monetised even more. 2. Energy consumption up to 100x normal searches has an environmental impact.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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"Don't be evil" is still in the code of conduct, it's just the last line now. Journalism, as it usually does, perpetuated a misleading scary story in order to garner eyeballs/clicks.

Google has more than one code of conduct[0], but I only found one that is as you described[1]. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=google%20code%20of%20conduct [1] https://abc.xyz/investor/board-and-governance/google-code-of...

Yes, that is the Google code of conduct. It's the only document that has ever had "don't be evil" in it, and it's still in there.

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Startpage has been great for me. Though I haven't trusted it as much since it was bought by an advertisement company (ironically named Privacy One Group).

It incorporates results from both Google and Bing: https://support.startpage.com/hc/en-us/articles/452243553384...

Re: Search engines alternatives now that Google isn't Google anymore

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Ohi, I'm the author of the open source Searx metasearch engine. I'm working on a self-hosted search service called Hister with the same goal when I started Searx development: reduce dependence on online search engines. Hister is a full text indexer for websites and local files which automatically saves all the visited pages rendered by your browser. It provides a flexible web (and terminal) search interface & query l…

I use a self-hosted Searxng to make it work with my local LLM RAG setup. It works amazingly. Thank you for creating this. I will check out the hister as well.
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