Should be simple matter to escalate this up to the President, who will put the squeeze on the Dutch government, and then secure his 10% fee for rescuing the take over deal
Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
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Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government extended it anyway, leaving blocking the takeover as the only option, Given what we know now, this seems perfectly logical. It's just that we don't know what else is going on behind the scenes. I'm sure there was some negotiations on how to keep the data separa…
> I'm sure there was some negotiations which i'm sure the current administration would honour There should be grave consequences alone for the fact that the goverment acted against the parliament
There was that chip company that was almost nationalized by the Dutch government few months ago when their Chinese owners started making funny noises.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#63Finally! The entire country has been clamouring for this for weeks, and the government has been completely silent about it. A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government extended it anyway, leaving blocking the takeover as the only option, and there wasn't a lot of confidence that the government would do tha…
It is a bit more complex tham that. Logius is the company that actually owns and manages the DigiD stack, it's just that they hired Solvinity for their expertise. AFAIK Solvinity can't access the data. I can't find it right now, but on Tweakers there was a long comment by someone on the inside that explained Logius basically had almost no know-how of how the current stack works, and there's lots of bespoke stuff. Bas…
> AFAIK Solvinity can't access the data.
Solvinity is the hoster. It can fully access the stack.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#64Never heard of 'Kyndryl' before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl > Officially formed in late 2021, Kyndryl was created from the spin-off of IBM's infrastructure services > Kyndryl operated in 63 countries in November 2021
Nobody gets fired from hiring Kyndryl.
They’re not doing too great atm: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstocks/kyndryl-s-stock-is...
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#65If it's such a vital piece of Dutch infrastructure, why is it in private hands at all?
Because too few IT capable people are willing to work under the government's pay scales; in most cases going private / corporate earns more. So most Dutch IT projects end up with private companies, which also means that, in the case of DigID and the secure / official messaging platform, the hosting party can charge exorbitant rates. Did you know it costs 25 cents to send a message via the Berichtenbox? So when the go…
For the record, Logius (the government owned enterprise dealing with DigID) vacancy for Java developer: https://www.werkenvoornederland.nl/vacatures/lead-java-devel... . 92k EUR per year for whatever they measure as 40 hours a week (I bet they close the shop at 4 pm).
>Did you know it costs 25 cents to send a message via the Berichtenbox?
In a country with paid toilets what do you expect lol
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#66Solvinity is a pretty terrible company name.
We're terrible at company and brand naming here in Europe. Just look at the "Wero" payment solution (formerly/currently iDeal). Like, who the hell came up with that stupid name? The list of stupid European company names and product names are endless.
It's called Wero, because it means we and euro in all of the official EU languages.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#67Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#68Finally! The entire country has been clamouring for this for weeks, and the government has been completely silent about it. A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government extended it anyway, leaving blocking the takeover as the only option, and there wasn't a lot of confidence that the government would do tha…
>> Finally! You are behind the curve. You read here first. Lets revisit this comment in 2 years... This will be overturned by both Dutch and European courts after the company appeals, and specially after Mark Rutte Daddy calls. The only purpose of this action is for the Dutch government to save face, and its for internal consumption. They already have the internal legal advice stating this, hidden away in some closet…
> They will argue that the decision was politicized,
It’s not ‘politicized’, it’s the gateway to all Dutch government services and as such it is inherently political.
> insufficiently reasoned, or disproportionate because binding technical/legal safeguards would have solved the risks...
There are no legal safeguards against the CLOUD act. There can be no technical or legal safeguards as long as the physical hardware is owned by a US company.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#69How come the Dutch people aren't offering more than the US investors to purchase this company, since this seems to be so close at heart?
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Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Logius is actually not a company but a part of the dutch (national) goverment.
It's a state owned enterprise as far as I remember. So technically they don't wear civil service uniforms in the office, but still get the usual government office hours.
The Dutch civil service wears a uniform?