How come the Dutch people aren't offering more than the US investors to purchase this company, since this seems to be so close at heart?
Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
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Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#52If it's such a vital piece of Dutch infrastructure, why is it in private hands at all?
because privatisation
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#53I keep seeing variations of “okay but this will be temporary” or “this is a one off” or “they’ll relent eventually, they have no choice” in response to the EU’s (and to a lesser extent, global) divorce from US tech stacks.
You cannot unring this bell, however, nor can you put the genie back in the bottle, close Pandora’s Box, etc, pick your own metaphor. The US burned through the trust thermocline very suddenly these past few years, snapping the tension that had been brewing over several decades from US hegemony and the abusive diplomacy it created.
Now that the US regime is openly hostile to everyone else and US firms have dropped the pretense of being anything less than a global surveillance state, there’s nothing to go back to. These sorts of rejections and blocks will continue to escalate until a new norm is agreed upon by cooler heads, which I don’t see happening in the current climate.
Make no mistake, power everywhere wants more surveillance capabilities; the EU wants it as much as China or the USA. The difference is that with the leading empire in decline, everyone realizes that owning their own surveillance state is an advantage over outsourcing it to a potential enemy.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#54If it's such a vital piece of Dutch infrastructure, why is it in private hands at all?
Apologies in advance for wasting anyone's time with a light hearted tangent. But as I scrolled past your comment I read:
> If it's such a vital piece of infrastructure, why is it in Dutch hands at all?
It was the funniest thing I have misread in a while.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#55Finally! The entire country has been clamouring for this for weeks, and the government has been completely silent about it. A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government extended it anyway, leaving blocking the takeover as the only option, and there wasn't a lot of confidence that the government would do tha…
It is a bit more complex tham that. Logius is the company that actually owns and manages the DigiD stack, it's just that they hired Solvinity for their expertise. AFAIK Solvinity can't access the data. I can't find it right now, but on Tweakers there was a long comment by someone on the inside that explained Logius basically had almost no know-how of how the current stack works, and there's lots of bespoke stuff. Bas…
Estonia's tech was cool maybe 20 years ago. From what I understand it's a bit too hard on fetishization of PKI and Ukraine goes too hard on apps. Netherlands actually gets it really well with DigId that is doing bare minimum needed to actually perform eidas stuff without getting into the woods with legally blessed asn1 schemas and oid [0].
I'm not sure what bespoke stuff they invented to get their sweet vendor lock in eurobucks, but the whole thing is nothing more than an OAuth provider for 19 million people. I guess NFC integration in the app that reads physical ids is on a fancier side, but I suspect on that side it's vendor locked by card vendor and their SDK.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#56If it's such a vital piece of Dutch infrastructure, why is it in private hands at all?
Because too few IT capable people are willing to work under the government's pay scales; in most cases going private / corporate earns more. So most Dutch IT projects end up with private companies, which also means that, in the case of DigID and the secure / official messaging platform, the hosting party can charge exorbitant rates. Did you know it costs 25 cents to send a message via the Berichtenbox? So when the government does its annual "it's time to fill in your taxes" message, they have to pay millions. Assuming they don't get a bulk deal, anyway.
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#57Never heard of 'Kyndryl' before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl > Officially formed in late 2021, Kyndryl was created from the spin-off of IBM's infrastructure services > Kyndryl operated in 63 countries in November 2021
I wish more news outlets actually stated so - Kyndryl was formerly IBM, has 73.000 employees worldwide. When this news first broke, nobody had ever heard of it so it sounded like some small random hosting company, but it's huge.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a bit more complex tham that. Logius is the company that actually owns and manages the DigiD stack, it's just that they hired Solvinity for their expertise. AFAIK Solvinity can't access the data. I can't find it right now, but on Tweakers there was a long comment by someone on the inside that explained Logius basically had almost no know-how of how the current stack works, and there's lots of bespoke stuff. Bas…
Logius is actually not a company but a part of the dutch (national) goverment.
It's a state owned enterprise as far as I remember. So technically they don't wear civil service uniforms in the office, but still get the usual government office hours.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#59Finally! The entire country has been clamouring for this for weeks, and the government has been completely silent about it. A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government extended it anyway, leaving blocking the takeover as the only option, and there wasn't a lot of confidence that the government would do tha…
>> Finally! You are behind the curve. You read here first. Lets revisit this comment in 2 years... This will be overturned by both Dutch and European courts after the company appeals, and specially after Mark Rutte Daddy calls. The only purpose of this action is for the Dutch government to save face, and its for internal consumption. They already have the internal legal advice stating this, hidden away in some closet…
>The WHOLE Dutch diplomatic and broader civil service, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, runs extensively on Microsoft infrastructure for its daily operations, cloud services, and email. And they leak....
There is a broad digital strategy to migrate off from American infra. Will take 10 years, but this stuff has inertia once it starts moving.
Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier
#60Never heard of 'Kyndryl' before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyndryl > Officially formed in late 2021, Kyndryl was created from the spin-off of IBM's infrastructure services > Kyndryl operated in 63 countries in November 2021
Nobody gets fired from hiring Kyndryl.