Is an android technically Linux and open source?
California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
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Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
As always, downvoting me doesn't change the legality of those banners. The law clearly states the "deny all" button must be as prominent as the accept button, and the banners employ all sort of dark patterns.
I don't think 'the law' does clearly state that, although I'd be happy to be proved wrong, and honestly it's a point of pedantry, the enforcement indicates that you're right about the actual expectation, and definitely you're right about the actual usage.
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Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#433Is an android technically Linux and open source?
Technically linux. Not open source in its commercial forms.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough. Most advertising isn't individually posted to each address because that's expensive - they hire their own guy, who isn't a postal worker, to go around and put it in everyone's mailbox. It's like paying one cent per email to prove it isn't spam.
No, 99.9% of the mail I get is trash and is delivered by USPS. You can't even recycle most of it because of the paper they are printed on. It's a huge, disgusting waste of resources on multiple levels.
> It's a huge, disgusting waste of resources on multiple levels.
The companies on the ads wouldn't do it that way if they were not getting a positive ROI from it. They probably only need to get 2 maybe 3 new customers to offset the cost of mass mailings.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you, as a longtime free speech believe. but... I would also like to keep my kids from seeing the very worst of the internet before they're ready to handle it. I tried using a PiHole but Firefox DNS-over-HTTPS nullifies that now. It's not realistic for me to be watching over their shoulders 24/7; what can I do to keep them away from stuff 99% of people agree isn't for children to see, without something li…
> what can I do to keep them away from stuff 99% of people agree isn't for children to see, without something like this? > before they're ready to handle it You can restrict any access for the network to them. Extra bonus, this will save your child from addiction.
...unless they go and visit Mikey over the fence, whose parents are cool unlike you and let him – willingly or not – wank to hardcore porn at 11.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're just vaguely waving towards the first amendment. That's not a cohesive argument in and of itself. By your own logic would online ID laws not also be a constitutional violation? Ditto for age bracketing laws such as the one under discussion here. After all, they both effectively regulate one half of the exchange necessary for meaningful communication (ie protected speech). > Impressums cannot be required in the…
> By your own logic would online ID laws not also be a constitutional violation? Ditto for age bracketing laws such as the one under discussion here. Now you’re getting it. Throw them all out along with the idiots who passed the laws. > Yes but why can't they be required? The Court has interpreted compelled speech to be almost universally a violation of the First Amendment, outside of the courtroom. I tend to agree.…
I don't think you're giving fair treatment to the complexity of the issue at hand. When SCOTUS came out in favor of anonymous political speech I do not understand it to have been on the basis of forced speech.
We require for example nutrition labels on food products. So clearly metadata of various sorts can be required for an interaction within the marketplace if there's a good enough reason for it. I'm not sure where that leaves personal blogs but it certainly applies to Amazon and PornHub.
The present court is rolling back some things but certainly not all. From the very beginning constitutional rights have never been absolute. One of the basic principles that comes up repeatedly and supersedes almost everything else is that the government must be able to carry out its duties. The contention is generally whether something is truly necessary for that and if so whether the law in question is overly broad.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, why should it not be desireble to give them access to the good properties of such devices and the internet?
What are the good properties that justify giving kids smart phones?
How much of your current knowledge would you simply lack were it not for the Internet?
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
> By your own logic would online ID laws not also be a constitutional violation? Ditto for age bracketing laws such as the one under discussion here. Now you’re getting it. Throw them all out along with the idiots who passed the laws. > Yes but why can't they be required? The Court has interpreted compelled speech to be almost universally a violation of the First Amendment, outside of the courtroom. I tend to agree.…
I don't think you're giving fair treatment to the complexity of the issue at hand. When SCOTUS came out in favor of anonymous political speech I do not understand it to have been on the basis of forced speech. We require for example nutrition labels on food products. So clearly metadata of various sorts can be required for an interaction within the marketplace if there's a good enough reason for it. I'm not sure wher…
> So clearly metadata of various sorts can be required for an interaction within the marketplace if there's a good enough reason for it.
Marketplace being the key word here. Interstate commerce may be regulated.
> I'm not sure where that leaves personal blogs but it certainly applies to Amazon and PornHub.
That’s the point. I also care about restrictions on smaller businesses and want to prevent regulatory capture, but personal/nonprofit/community sites must not be burdened above all else. They face enough challenges as it is. If a website or software project is noncommercial, their speech is not subject to regulation, Constitutionally speaking. What’s more, the Constitution has the correct take here—this is as it should be.
> One of the basic principles that comes up repeatedly and supersedes almost everything else is that the government must be able to carry out its duties.
Then you get the question, what are its duties? Enforcing unconstitutional laws is not one of them.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#439This is ridiculous. Either this is a vital child safety requirement that needs to apply to operating systems regardless of origin or it isn't and shouldn't apply to any operating system.
it would be pointless to force software that can be modified to remove an age-verification to have age-verification.
but maybe they can move to force distributed copies of linux to have age-verification, hopefully dealing with those complaints
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#440Not just Linux. More specifically: “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.
Yes, I wonder what false positives and false negatives will result from that definition. I suppose Microsoft permits corporate licensees to copy (to all their PCs and servers), redistribute (internally), and modify (by corporate software developers and also by sysadmins using group policy) the software. Maybe it should say, the software 'code' - requiring open source code - and to do it all 'for free'.
there must be an reasonable assumption of what counts as such in the first place.
being modifiable and publicly available in both source and binary form sound like enough to me.