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Canada losing top talent as workers head to the U.S.

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Re: Canada losing top talent as workers head to the U.S.

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Post by Grum9 »

petcat wrote: post #21
notatoad wrote: post #4

>ROGER: Okay, how does this compare to the ’90s when we saw a brain drain then? Is it larger? Different sectors? >FRANCIS: No, I think, Roger, you pointed to it correctly. This is not an issue that is brand new for Canada. oh, okay then. so, the same thing is happening as has always happened. the only interesting thing about this article is trying to determine if it's motivated by the opposition party trying to score…

It looks like the major difference recently is that TN visa issuance has surged in recent years, up to over 1.2 million in 2023. The previous all time high was back in 2016 (~800,000). More highly educated Canadian and Mexican professionals are relocating to the US than ever before, which is obviously concerning for Canada.

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Post by blindriver »

cogogo wrote: post #27
blindriver wrote: post #3

I'm sorry but is this an article from the late 1990s? I'm also from Canada and I know tons of Canadians that have come here since the 90s. I even known immigrants to Canada from other countries (mainly China and India) that came to the US via Canada, using the TN1 or H1B visas after getting their Canadian citizenships. The biggest problem Canada has is that any moderately successful tech worker is going to be dead-se…

Something feels deeply wrong about comparing your tech income to a teacher’s. Especially outside the context of an argument like “teachers should be paid more.”

I don't understand your injection of your own morality into my statement, it is completely orthogonal to my point.

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Post by TMWNN »

__s wrote: post #37
s0rce wrote: post #29

Not really new, been going on for decades. With recent political changes I would have assumed it might have been getting better actually. I'm guilty, Canadian living in the SF Bay area.

Back in 2019 Microsoft sent job offer, 145k usd/yr base moving to SF. Couldn't get visa (no degree). New offer: 95k cad/yr in Vancouver I've done well since then, but being in Canada I'm always "out of band". Implicit implication that I should move south where lower level positions already match Canadian bands

What you and hiddenthrowaway wrote is consistent with my understanding, that Canadian FAANG offices are staffed mostly with those who cannot (and often will never get) a US visa, plus the odd local who doesn't want to move to the US for personal or family reasons.

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Post by defrost »

TMWNN wrote: post #65
yawnxyz wrote: post #12

that's what happens when your only industries are cooking oil, actual oil, and real estate

I've heard Canada described as three mining companies standing on each other wearing a trenchcoat.

Not bad, although it seriously undercounts the sheer number of Canadian (and other) mineral resource companies calling the Toronto TSX home and ignores the fossil fuel energy extraction behemoths.

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Post by snapplebobapple »

SecretDreams wrote: post #53
jt2190 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally the next sentences: > It’s one that we’ve been facing for quite some time. The reason we wrote this report, however, is to highlight the fact that we’re sort of in this moment in time right now, with our relationship with the U.S. deteriorating and us trying to diversify our trading partners, to highlight the fact that we are still not really all that competitive. Our productivity growth is quite low and ha…

> With the U.S. moving from a cooperative trade partner to a trade competitor, Canada needs to up its game. Even if the US was still benevolent (ish), Canada needed to up its game. I have heard Canada be described as "European wages with American working hours". It's a great country with good people and lots of beauty, but they need an economy and job prospect beyond real estate, mining, banking, automotive, and gove…

Post secondary should be setup as a loan for the subsidized portion withloan forgiveness prorated over a decade. If you leave the tax net it converts to payments like any other loan. Everywhere should be doing this, its just good policy. The carrot is way more of a problem because this place needs to be less junk on nearly every measureable dimension. the examples are too numerous to list but housing needs to be a lot more affordable and there is probably a hundred things to fix to make that one thing function betteras one example.

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Post by cogogo »

blindriver wrote: post #62
cogogo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something feels deeply wrong about comparing your tech income to a teacher’s. Especially outside the context of an argument like “teachers should be paid more.”

I don't understand your injection of your own morality into my statement, it is completely orthogonal to my point.

I did not mean to make a moral judgement. I was too flippant. It is a weird comparison. You compare a salary in an industry where people are known to be paid well to one where people are known to be paid poorly. Of course you make more money regardless of USA or Canada.
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