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Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by _carbyau_ »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #115
frogperson wrote: post #97

Looks luke a cheap electric knockoff in some low budget racing game. It does not look like a ferrari at all.

I don't love it either, but that's the whole point I think. Try to pull off an icon, rather than make existing designs works. Cybertruck did it, same with Jaguar. Ultimately the probably should've gone with SUV tho - it's what people buy and looking at interior it what should've been - mass produced, luxury, performance car for everyone. p.s. Car ethusiasts suck and nobody should listen to them. All they want is v8 m…

> p.s. Car ethusiasts suck and nobody should listen to them. All they want is v8 manual from 80s with all the "character"

I was generally with you until those lines.

Car enthusiasts are as varied as cars themselves. Whether it's F1 lovers or the V8 manual lovers (an experience to appreciate but I didn't care to own), the MX5(Miata) lovers, the offroad lovers or the lovers of classics like VW Beetles and Mini's or more esoteric cars.

There are dreamers who read the latest car magazine and fantasize about the latest Porsche, Ferrari or Mercedes S class.

Everyone has an opinion and unsurprisingly electric vehicles are a hot topic right now. You will get a range of both rational and emotional responses, depending on whom you speak to.

To derisively state "they suck and nobody should listen to them" is unreasonable.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by p1necone »

bix6 wrote: post #27

Specs are insane but why does it look like a budget sedan with a cool paint job? This sounds kind of fun. It’s curious they weren’t allowed to drive though.. > But I can say that the Torque Shift Engagement system — which gives the driver five power levels on the right paddle and five engine-braking levels on the left — is one of the most intriguing ideas I’ve seen in an electric car. It doesn’t simulate gear changes…

Chasing "driver engagement" during regular driving at/below speed limit on regular public roads strikes me as a bit pointless. You're just trying to add friction to the process because there happened to be friction in the past.

And when you're not going the speed limit on regular public roads here's plenty of "driver engagement" to be had going too fast round tight corners (hopefully on a track, but we can't all be perfect ;)) regardless of whether there's some weird obfuscation between you and the actual mostly flat torque curve of the electric engine as long you build good suspension, body stiffness, put decent tires on it, don't make it too heavy etc.

I would love Lotus to make another road legal go-kart and slap an electric engine in it.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by VerifiedReports »

nntwozz wrote: post #145
VerifiedReports wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow I didn't see that. Standard Ive incompetence. It's galling to see pompous, no-talent douchebags like Ive continually held out as some kind of innovator.

Ive was great when Steve was there to tell him no.

I was there at that time, and Ive still sucked.

Re: Ferrari Luce

#154

Post by anvuong »

LanceJones wrote: post #142
bix6 wrote: post #27

Specs are insane but why does it look like a budget sedan with a cool paint job? This sounds kind of fun. It’s curious they weren’t allowed to drive though.. > But I can say that the Torque Shift Engagement system — which gives the driver five power levels on the right paddle and five engine-braking levels on the left — is one of the most intriguing ideas I’ve seen in an electric car. It doesn’t simulate gear changes…

Just 280+ mile EPA range on a 122 kwH battery. 5100 pounds. 2.5s to 60. Not insane by any standard, ICE or EV.

Yeah that's actually rather inefficient. Tesla Model Y has 84kWh battery and a range of 300 miles.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by anvuong »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #137
karakoram wrote: post #2

I don't like it at all. The curves, the silhouette, does not work at all, it does not "speak" to me as a Ferrari. Again, a heritage brand ruined by an obnoxious, pesky iPad like display that has no business being in a Ferrari. The front profile is hideous too.

The doors are dumb as hell. So I guess the front and back people have to take turns, because only one can squeeze through that gap? Presumably the range is only a few KM, since Ive said, "You don't want a bigger battery." And after ruining Apple's computers for years with his POS keyboard and embarrassing emoji bar, he's all about "tactile controls" now? Or was that the will of someone who ISN'T just a pompous hack?…

On the battery size, 122kWh is actually pretty large for this size. Most Teslas have <100kWh batteries and they all have better or similar range.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by windexh8er »

analogpixel wrote: post #30
karakoram wrote: post #2

I don't like it at all. The curves, the silhouette, does not work at all, it does not "speak" to me as a Ferrari. Again, a heritage brand ruined by an obnoxious, pesky iPad like display that has no business being in a Ferrari. The front profile is hideous too.

thanks for putting into words what I was thinking as I was scrolling down the page.

I honestly thought it was some sort of hideous joke. Growing up as a kid having been obsessed with supercars this to me looks like someone let Elon mash up a Model Y and a classic '96 355 using Grok. Looks pretty disgusting as someone who has followed car brands for decades.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

Geee wrote: post #141
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it's neat but looks sorta.. halfway physical... still requires you to take your focus off the road and look at the touchscreen to know what you're changing and what the setting is. I don't think that really solves much?

There's also the metal handle to rest your hand on, which also acts as a target which you can find blindly, and from there you can find the correct knob by touch. You'll just have to remember the the third knob is the fan speed and so on. I imagine that you can use it without looking, and it seems to be designed that way. Also I'm pretty sure that the UI is replicated on the display behind the wheel so you don't have…

That's not terrible then I guess. Hopefully this makes it downmarket and "luxury" vehicles stop fetishizing touchscreen everything.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by notnullorvoid »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #41
skyberrys wrote: post #15

At first I thought it was a Ferrari custom built for Jony Ive made just to his specifications. But once I saw the first image I could easily understand it was designed by him. It's a talent to be an industrial designer with such a clean recognizable style that it's like a signature, easily recognizable as to who it belongs to.

Yes, Ive's style is very recognizable as Dieter Rams design principles and language with brighter colors.

Ive's style may be inspired by Dieter Rams, but he ultimately fails to emulate it in any positive way.

Ive's work is bubbly symmetric bland crap.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by PaulWaldman »

866-RON-0-FEZ wrote: post #103

Ive is an overrated plonker and my first reaction is to wonder if all the serviceable components are glued in place. Do you know why no one has ever put rotating switches on a steering wheel face before? Because it requires two fingers to operate the switches and thus taking your entire hand off the wheel. Those knobs and switches might as well be in the center console because it takes a similar amount of effort and…

Porsche has a similar steering wheel mounted rotary switch. Traditionally it was on models optioned with the Sport Chrono package. They recently rolled it out to all new models over the past few years.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/press-kits/taycan/Die-Driver...

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