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Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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> The first is our duty to the global poor. There is a real possibility that AI will displace human labor at very large scale. If that happens, supporting those displaced will be a moral imperative of historic proportions. This guy doesn't understand what the global poor actually do for a living. They're not lawyers or paper-pushers, nor do they work in medical diagnostics. They're usually farmers. Sometimes they wor…

We already have the ressources to solve world hunger. We - as a whole - refuse to do so, because it would be inconvenient to special interests.

As I already wtote in a previous comment months ago, they speak of AI finding ways to solve this and that grand problem, but never do they wonder if we are ready to listen to the answer. Solve global warming? Burn less petrol. Solve cancer? Eat less meat.

Not only we won't listen to answers, but chatGPT and Anthropic and others will eagerly lobotomize AI to stop it from giving the answers we don't want because of "too woke" or something, to keep juicy government contracts. After all, "Reality has a liberal bias", as the (recently unemployed) Colbert once said.

Scientists are still hounded six years later for having developed a good vaccine against COVID-19. What can AI do? The first AGI model should be called Cassandra.

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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> The first is our duty to the global poor. There is a real possibility that AI will displace human labor at very large scale. If that happens, supporting those displaced will be a moral imperative of historic proportions. This guy doesn't understand what the global poor actually do for a living. They're not lawyers or paper-pushers, nor do they work in medical diagnostics. They're usually farmers. Sometimes they wor…

I have a completely different expectation, based on what has happened with every major discovery or invention from electricity to refridgeration to transistors: Everyone has gotten wealthier relative to those who came before. The average "peasant" in every nation without a corrupt or totalitarian parasitic government live in more opulence and have a higher quality of life than every king of the past. That doesn't alw…

How about the power consolidation that’s brewing as we speak? How about the all encompassing surveilance to come? I don’t doubt AI could be used to take us towards a utopia but it could also lead us in the opposite direction.

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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Well said.

It seems though that a major problem continues to be allegiance to legacy states, not only in the sense of their role as governors and regulators of the industrial age, but even in the (to me, bizarre) belief that they will be the mechanism by which the internet is made safe for use by the body politic.

What we NEED are sincere elder-statesmen and women to see the writing on the wall and lead a peaceful and total deprecation of governments, and of nuclear weapons in particular.

It seems increasingly obvious that the internet is here to stay, that is represents an evolutionary force, and that it doesn't have the capability to recognize borders or tolerate censorship.

What we NEED is to be absolutely sure that these realities are not the basis for wars among men.

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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> The first is our duty to the global poor. There is a real possibility that AI will displace human labor at very large scale. If that happens, supporting those displaced will be a moral imperative of historic proportions. This guy doesn't understand what the global poor actually do for a living. They're not lawyers or paper-pushers, nor do they work in medical diagnostics. They're usually farmers. Sometimes they wor…

I have a completely different expectation, based on what has happened with every major discovery or invention from electricity to refridgeration to transistors: Everyone has gotten wealthier relative to those who came before. The average "peasant" in every nation without a corrupt or totalitarian parasitic government live in more opulence and have a higher quality of life than every king of the past. That doesn't alw…

I bought a robot vacuum years ago for 80€. It’s not a luxury at all

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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> The only thing that makes Ai the opportunity of the millennium is its power to empower us to render Pope and CEO alike irrelevant.

All OpenAI, Google, Anthropic need to do is flip a switch and your AI and your “power” are gone. Or worse, they start making you think what their actual owners want you to think.

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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> The first is our duty to the global poor. There is a real possibility that AI will displace human labor at very large scale. If that happens, supporting those displaced will be a moral imperative of historic proportions. This guy doesn't understand what the global poor actually do for a living. They're not lawyers or paper-pushers, nor do they work in medical diagnostics. They're usually farmers. Sometimes they wor…

His argument is not that the existing global poor are going to be automated by AI, but that a great many people are going to join the global poor as their current livelihoods are automated.

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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You talk a big talk of ending fantastical religions, yet you are just swapping out one eschatology for another. Your AGI is their Second Coming. Same thing, different crowd.

Is that so bad?

Swapping out the eschaton of fake authority among men for the eschaton of information singularity seems like a wonderful deal - the kind of deal we are offered at birth.

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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> The first is our duty to the global poor. There is a real possibility that AI will displace human labor at very large scale. If that happens, supporting those displaced will be a moral imperative of historic proportions. This guy doesn't understand what the global poor actually do for a living. They're not lawyers or paper-pushers, nor do they work in medical diagnostics. They're usually farmers. Sometimes they wor…

The displaced human workers risk joining the global poor, is what he’s saying. And that would increase competition for the manual labor jobs, thus worsening the situation for the global poor. Not to mention what will happen when robotics take off for these kinds of jobs.

Or they provide leadership and organize the global poor.

Re: Anthropic Cofounder Chris Olah's Remarks on Pope Leo XIV's "Magnifica Humanitas"

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> The first is our duty to the global poor. There is a real possibility that AI will displace human labor at very large scale. If that happens, supporting those displaced will be a moral imperative of historic proportions. This guy doesn't understand what the global poor actually do for a living. They're not lawyers or paper-pushers, nor do they work in medical diagnostics. They're usually farmers. Sometimes they wor…

I’m not sure what you mean, there’s a lot of people talking about farming automation and its effects on working farmers.

In places like Africa and India? (Which is what he means when he brings up the "global" poor.) Dude, a lot of them don't even have tractors.

> https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2146927&re...

> Overall, the operation-wise average mechanization levels across crops are 70% for seed-bed preparation, 40% for sowing/planting/transplanting, 33% for weeding and inter-culture, and 34% for harvesting and threshing, resulting in an overall average mechanization level of 45%.

See also: "Percentage of workers engaged in Agriculture = 45.8%"

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