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Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by micromacrofoot »

lo_fye wrote: post #187

I am a senior php dev, and I was recently transferred to a Ruby on Rails project. It's completely foreign to me. Our client has advised us to use LLMs as much as possible. The problem is that it's virtually impossible to learn a codebase when you're using AI to do the coding. You never see more than a few lines of code at a time unless you purposefully dig in, but you might not have the time given velocity demands. A…

I buy ikea because I can't afford to pay an artisan, there aren't enough left to produce enough to bring the price down

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by SoftTalker »

moralestapia wrote: post #136

“So leave me behind.” That’s easy to say for someone in their 50s who built wealth under favorable conditions. But it’s quite ignorant and inhumane to say that to someone in their 20s who is just starting their career. Too bad to see these boomer antics continue to be perpetuated.

People in their 50s are not boomers.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by micromacrofoot »

oytis wrote: post #112
kibwen wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> take human intelligence to another pinnacle I see no indication that current human intelligence is at anything close to a historical pinnacle. Human knowledge, yes, but intelligence? No. Collectively, we're dumb and trending dumber, and the tendency towards lazy thoughtlessness which AI engenders will accelerate that trend.

Yeah, we peaked somewhere near the end of XIX century IMO. Before the transition to mass society.

we have more intelligent people than ever, but this also means we have more stupid people than ever

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by the_biot »

innodendo wrote: post #145

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

You know it's random nonsense, and yet you still take it on faith that it "gives you answers". That's what makes me despair about all the AI nonsense: it's the death of intellect. Not the death of deep thinking, but of common sense.

I can't wait for the day until all these people collectively snap out of it, and go "what the hell were we thinking with these chatbots".

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by puelocesar »

lo_fye wrote: post #187

I am a senior php dev, and I was recently transferred to a Ruby on Rails project. It's completely foreign to me. Our client has advised us to use LLMs as much as possible. The problem is that it's virtually impossible to learn a codebase when you're using AI to do the coding. You never see more than a few lines of code at a time unless you purposefully dig in, but you might not have the time given velocity demands. A…

By the way, where I live you can still buy furniture from crafts people. I bought by bed from a local shop, it was not expensive at all and I was pretty happy about it.

Perhaps check in your country if that isn’t true as well, people automatically assume IKEA killed all local shops, but there are many out there if you search for them.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by Kuyawa »

For me it's incomprehensible how a tool that allows you to be 100 times more productive is derided as something we should never use for the sake of craftmanship. Same as shoemakers or horseback messengers 100 years ago. Those who fund the next Nike or FedEx will be the winners of this new race. AI is a tool, an exceptional tool for providing solutions.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by smithcoin »

Kuyawa wrote: post #196

For me it's incomprehensible how a tool that allows you to be 100 times more productive is derided as something we should never use for the sake of craftmanship. Same as shoemakers or horseback messengers 100 years ago. Those who fund the next Nike or FedEx will be the winners of this new race. AI is a tool, an exceptional tool for providing solutions.

> how a tool that allows you to be 100 times more productive

Because we don’t agree on this premise

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by gedy »

baddash wrote: post #138
gedy wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then it isn't a slop fork machine anymore is it? True, but some nuance is that a LOT of artist/creative types lean exclusively on the mechanical skill needed to create, without anything really much to say. They also very frequently copy other's styles, etc. I'm not defending AI pumping out crap, but this also shows a lot of folks don't have much to offer beyond the mechanical aspects and we shouldn't glorify churni…

This honestly makes me feel ambivalent, as on the one hand, it is awesome that it is pushing creatives to be more original, but on the other hand it does threaten these types of creatives who have invested time into making this their livelihood :/

Yeah same, I'm definitely not applauding it, but it has felt like coming for a long time even before AI recently.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by hootz »

Kuyawa wrote: post #196

For me it's incomprehensible how a tool that allows you to be 100 times more productive is derided as something we should never use for the sake of craftmanship. Same as shoemakers or horseback messengers 100 years ago. Those who fund the next Nike or FedEx will be the winners of this new race. AI is a tool, an exceptional tool for providing solutions.

But what does "100x more productive" mean for code quality and employment? Are we all going to adopt it as just another tool? Are 99% of the engineers going to get fired? Do all engineers need to become managers now?

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by MarkSweep »

ary wrote: post #167

There are a number of comments here where people open up about their contrasting experiences of not being a part of a programming community. Those are well addressed, I think, but there is another point to consider. We need to remember the people, that we may never talk to, that are downstream of all of this software. Not necessarily “the users” as there are many pieces of software meant for other devs, but I think t…

I suspect you are right that LLM-generated software will likely negatively impact people's lives. The flip side of this is there is going to be a lot of software generated that would have never been possible before. And for some use cases, some crappy software is better than no software. I think it's hard to predict whether on net this will be a good or bad thing.
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