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Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by satvikpendem »

ori_b wrote: post #129
satvikpendem wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implementation is part of the fun.

So why would you buy it off of Anthropic?

I don't understand the question. For one thing I use local models mainly, but even if I didn't, I'd be buying the tokens from cloud model providers, not the prepackaged, fully complete software itself. I buy the tokens to make what I want.

It's actually quite similar to buying the services of a programmer off Upwork to build something for me, only with LLMs it's way cheaper and faster, with a shorter feedback loop.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by satvikpendem »

ori_b wrote: post #127
satvikpendem wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open weight models exist and are good enough to make the projects above.

And you're actually excited about these table scraps that companies couldn't even monetize, rather than making something?

Couldn't even monetize? DeepSeek and Alibaba with Qwen are doing quite well, no table scraps required. I am making things, I don't have to physically type letters on a keyboard to make things as long as the output of what I want exists.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by satvikpendem »

kibwen wrote: post #36
furyman wrote: post #4

Mario Savio said a few lines when the industrial revolution peaked: There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious Makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part, you can't even passively take part And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels Upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you've got to make it stop And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to t…

> take human intelligence to another pinnacle I see no indication that current human intelligence is at anything close to a historical pinnacle. Human knowledge, yes, but intelligence? No. Collectively, we're dumb and trending dumber, and the tendency towards lazy thoughtlessness which AI engenders will accelerate that trend.

When was the historical pinnacle in your opinion?

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by lelanthran »

ganSo wrote: post #71
lelanthran wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No because you still need a skilled human operator in the loop for clearly defining the input and to check the output. For now. Will that be true in 12 months? 4 years? If you're a programmer, your skills have been devalued significantly in the last 12 months. What makes you think the remaining value you offer will be required 12 months from now?

What are your plans if you truly think that that's the future?

> What are your plans if you truly think that that's the future?

I don't have any - thinking is the only non-cattle job left for humans to do; if we outsource thinking for all of humanity, we're an evolutionary dead-end.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by GalaxyNova »

tharakam wrote: post #56

I can relate to this article. My reaction to what is happening is also: "Leave me behind". However, missing the joy of the old-school way of growing as a developer is not only the wrong reason, but also very dangerous according to Darwin. Our customers don't care about how it is made after all, but they do care about long-term support, costs, and predictability, etc. But I'm not sure whether we can say we made a real…

Maybe our customers do care about how it's made.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by charles_f »

> “If you don’t learn how to use AI, you’re going to be left behind.”

I don't subscribe to that even to begin with. Learning "how to use AI" in a a dev workflow takes less than a month, just by practice. Assuming "how to use AI" refers to using agents, rather than just a more advanced auto complete, once you've made the couple of mistakes you can make a couple of times (mainly, leave the coding agent to do something too big for too long), you're caught up. Maybe it take a little more time to get the habits into your workflow.

Leveraging a LLM for coding is orders of magnitude simpler than the code it's writing, and the skills you need to review said code.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by dakiol »

innodendo wrote: post #145

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

The problem with (propietary AI) is that they (anthropic/google/openai/etc) gain more from the usage of AI than you. Other tools like postgres, gcc, git, HTTP, emacs, etc. don't "gain" anything if you use them (well, they gain popularity and perhaps more contributions, but that's it). The more you use Claude, the richer anthropic gets and the easier for them to position themselves in a place of power, power to dominate the programming of the world. That's sad. So even we all like so much propiertary AIs, we should think twice what we are giving in exchange (and no, it's not just the $200/month what we are giving)

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by dakiol »

The problem with (propietary AI) is that they (anthropic/google/openai/etc) gain more from the usage of AI than you. Other tools like postgres, gcc, git, HTTP, emacs, etc. don't "gain" anything if you use them (well, they gain popularity and perhaps more contributions, but that's it). The more you use Claude, the richer anthropic gets and the easier for them to position themselves in a place of power, power to dominate the programming of the world. That's sad. So even we all like so much propiertary AIs, we should think twice what we are giving in exchange (and no, it's not just the $200/month what we are giving)

I'm all for open models, open source agents, etc. I don't want to give more power to the big corps, though. Imagine what software engineering could become in 5 years if all thse big corporations gain even more power over us. It's a terrifying scenario (e.g., pay more so we don't show you ads in between claude code prompts; pay more so that the produced code doesn't incrust ads in your app...). Do you really want the same shitty experience we have now in the global internet, but deeply ingrained in your software engineering workflows?

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