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DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by abustamam »

chillfox wrote: post #202
pjerem wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have unlimited Claude Opus at work and it’s wonderful. Not allozwed to use it for personal use though. So I use Deepseek Pro on the $20 Ollama Cloud plan and it’s really not that far behind and I never triggered the plan’s limits. It’s like 10-15% less powerful but costs 10 times less. Totally worth it. I prefer Opus because my employer pays for it but I would personally never pay 10 times more for it.

Nice, I have got unlimited Claude Opus at work as well. I was really having a hard time deciding between the Ollama and OpenCode plans for personal use, I couldn't really understand how much usage I would get with the Ollama plan, so in the end I went with OpenCode and I have never hit the limits despite using it most evenings and weekends for several hours.

What models do you use in open code? I too have unlimited opus at work and I tried using my same workflow from work using Kimi 2.6 in open code and... It's just not it, even for relatively simple stuff.

Maybe I should try DS4p?

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by schaefer »

jbellis wrote: post #156

As someone who has been writing harnesses for a year: the people at opencode etc aren't stupid, when they decide to break the prefix cache [usually partially] it's always because they've tested it and it gives better results overall. If you think that dsv4 behaves differently enough from the aggregate of other models, submit a PR with a patch to special case that to your harness of choice with evidence. Just blindly…

> As someone who has been writing harnesses for a year…

Your agent harness, brokk, looks great. I’m going to try it this morning.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by nawitus »

vidarh wrote: post #241
kiproping wrote: post #104

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This would be a better page to link to https://github.com/esengine/DeepSeek-Reasonix/blob/main/docs... They explain some of the the reasons why they have a better solution and why they are very opinionated >Automatic prefix caching activates only when the exact byte prefix of the previous request matches. Most agent loops reorder, rewrite, or inject fresh timestamps each turn — cache hit rate in practice: So they opt…

I've never seen an agent loop "reorder, rewrite, or inject fresh timestamps" each turn other than mostly towards the end of the messages. Messing with a large part of the context every turn would be a fairly crazy thing to do.

Yeah. Those claims are just some random AI slop from claude..

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by ajuc »

dominotw wrote: post #193
OtomotO wrote: post #179

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Exactly this. I don't care about the US more than about Russia or China these days. They are definitely not our allies anymore.

you dont need to be allies to do business. walmart is not my ally.

Not enough trust to do business.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by vidarh »

nawitus wrote: post #273
vidarh wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen an agent loop "reorder, rewrite, or inject fresh timestamps" each turn other than mostly towards the end of the messages. Messing with a large part of the context every turn would be a fairly crazy thing to do.

Yeah. Those claims are just some random AI slop from claude..

It's a really lazy one too - there are so many open source harnesses, including e.g. Codex and Kimi-CLI, and of course the leaked Claude Code source, so it's trivial to verify if someone even just bothered to ask an agent to check actual source code examples.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by Aurornis »

am17an wrote: post #261
Aurornis wrote: post #182

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> DS stopped every 30 minutes or so, saying it did full RE and it should all work now, while in fact, it didn't complete even 1% of it. It also looked for shortcuts again and again, despite me prompting heavily that the specific shortcut may not be used. It was a complete and utter failure. This is my experience with non-SOTA models across the board. When you try them on little tasks and they work it feels amazing, b…

Did you read the OP when he's exactly chiding the model you're glazing?

Did you intentionally miss the point of my comment? Substitute Opus for GPT-5.5 if you will. I use both as well as locally hosted models using some of your branches, even.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by aratahikaru5 »

auggierose wrote: post #103
am17an wrote: post #78

This Claude front end skill is now soon to be slop.

Oh, I was wondering why all new websites look shitty in the same way.

Not a maintainer, but I've fixed some of the really jarring issues on desktop (mobile needs a complete overhaul though). IMO It's not that bad, and it gets the job done.

Any feedback on how to make it less "shitty"? I feel like doing some vibe coding tonight.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Post by perseusai »

This is a nice companion to the token saving context app I made. Even has the same Claude Design site, which I think looks awesome! Even though something is cheap, the concepts that make using Deepseek more efficiently can surely be applied elsewhere. Cool stuff!
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