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Jira Is Turing-Complete

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Re: Jira Is Turing-Complete

#31
What annoys me about Atlassian products (Jira, Confluence) is the long load times and terrible layout shifts:

you never know if the layout is about to shift ever so slightly more causing another in a series of misclicks.

Oh how many times I've accidentally assigned a newly created ticket to some poor fella I'd never even seen before...

Re: Jira Is Turing-Complete

#32

Jira is popular and has good API wrappers for your favorite language. I'm surprised corporate programmers with the hacker spirit haven't automated most of the things they are asked to do in Jira with Python command line scripts or whatever. If you can make Jira an order of magnitude easier to use for yourself than for the people pushing it, suddenly the script flips and Jira is something you push to protect yourself.…

moved to Jetbrains YouTrack many many years ago, and this is what we do via its APIs. It's quite versatile. With AI, it unlocked it even more.

Re: Jira Is Turing-Complete

#33
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a few have, the issue is that every Jira instance is a fractal shit snowflake of custom properties several layers deep through old failed migrations to new organization strategies. And many times the API can do stuff that the UI doesn't allow, and everyone's relying on the UI to drive things, so you end up in weirdly broken corners because you didn't notice that you need custom_field_5537 to be paired with cust…

I just had a thought: is there some API so obscenely baroque and painful to use that even AIs would flatly refuse to work with them? It would be an interesting exercise to keep feeding a coding agent ever crazier interface designs until it cracks. “The base64 of the rot13 encrypted EBCDIC string has to be included in a JSON in the XML SOAP request, but both the JSON and XML escaping is manual and incorrect...” "...bu…

Sounds like the IOCCC[0] of APIs

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Obfuscated_C_Cod...

Re: Jira Is Turing-Complete

#35

Jira is popular and has good API wrappers for your favorite language. I'm surprised corporate programmers with the hacker spirit haven't automated most of the things they are asked to do in Jira with Python command line scripts or whatever. If you can make Jira an order of magnitude easier to use for yourself than for the people pushing it, suddenly the script flips and Jira is something you push to protect yourself.…

Our entire company is basically ran through Jira. Most processes rely on Jira and certain transitions fire of webhooks for automation.

One of the first things we did when we got access to AI was make a Jira MCP. I try not to touch Jira anymore. I get Claude to just create the Jira issues, write comments, create subtasks, link issues together, etc.

I used to dread having to investigate how to implement something and break it down into tasks because the more granular I broke things down, the more Jira issues I had to create to capture each task. Now I can just write everything up in a file and send an LLM to do all the Jira crap.

Re: Jira Is Turing-Complete

#38
post #18

Jira is popular and has good API wrappers for your favorite language. I'm surprised corporate programmers with the hacker spirit haven't automated most of the things they are asked to do in Jira with Python command line scripts or whatever. If you can make Jira an order of magnitude easier to use for yourself than for the people pushing it, suddenly the script flips and Jira is something you push to protect yourself.…

Our main problem is only that they are hijacking the prices incredibly.. Lately we had to cut the number of licences and users, since it was incredibly expensive.

I particularly like the hike between 10 users and 11, some startups begin with 5 people and when they reach more than 10 employees they are hit with the licence costs

Re: Jira Is Turing-Complete

#39
post #16

Jira is popular and has good API wrappers for your favorite language. I'm surprised corporate programmers with the hacker spirit haven't automated most of the things they are asked to do in Jira with Python command line scripts or whatever. If you can make Jira an order of magnitude easier to use for yourself than for the people pushing it, suddenly the script flips and Jira is something you push to protect yourself.…

Quite a few have, the issue is that every Jira instance is a fractal shit snowflake of custom properties several layers deep through old failed migrations to new organization strategies. And many times the API can do stuff that the UI doesn't allow, and everyone's relying on the UI to drive things, so you end up in weirdly broken corners because you didn't notice that you need custom_field_5537 to be paired with cust…

A colleague of mine said it even better, its like an old blanket filled with patches, small fixes and workarounds, so much that no one even remembers to how the patching was done ages ago!
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